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  • #707709

    GregF
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    Spire……………………………………Done
    LUAS…………………………………..Done
    Croke Park redevelopment ……..Done

    O’Connell Street makeover …….Work in Progress
    Dublin Port Tunnel ……………….Work in Progress

    National Stadium…………………To be Done
    National Conferance Centre ….To be Done
    Calatrava Bridge………………….To be Done
    U2 Tower……………………………To be Done
    Abbey Theatre revamp………….To be Done
    Dublin Airport extension………..To be Done
    National Incinerator………………To be Done
    Digital Hub………………………….Abandoned

    3 outta a random 13 done……kinda takes ages!

  • #751763

    Anonymous
    Participant

    The digital hub hasn’t been abandoned it was the MIT Europe lab that went into liquidation, from what I understand the digital hub will still happen.

    Also to add to the list would be the Metro system and by that I mean the DTO metro of 2001 and not the ever changing crayon drawings produced by the Railway Procrastination Agency.

    But you are right 3 out of 13 is a total joke 🙁

  • #751764

    phil
    Participant

    Mainly true, but dont forget the James Joyce Calatrava Bridge: Done

  • #751765

    -Donnacha-
    Participant

    Yeah, but –

    One Calatrava Bridge done. Plus the Millennium bridge, depending on what date you were counting from. Boardwalk done and being expanded. Another Liffey pedestrian bridge in progress. Ballymun towers falling almost as we speak…

  • #751766

    Rockflanders
    Participant

    Digihub abandoned alright…..
    watch this space.

  • #751767

    Lotts
    Participant

    What was the digital hub anyway – (other than a name that is). Was there any infrastructure involved?

  • #751768

    Sue
    Participant

    That’s a very selective list of 13 projects, and I think, Greg, you’ve set out to prove the glass is half-empty. Taking a starting point of 1995 (the birth of the Celtic Tiger), you could include a lot of other things that have been done, such as the redevelopment of Dublin docklands, the new library in TCD, the national gallery extension, the aquatic centre, the M1 motorway, the bypassing of Kildare and points west, etc.
    Yes things do take ages, but the more considered approach sometimes work. Do we really need a Metro? Does anyone other than Michael O’Leary really think that a second terminal in Dublin Airport is essential? on the Abbey, for example, far better to take ages and get it right than rush into another mistake

  • #751769

    notjim
    Participant

    what have you heard Rockflanders? my impression was there was going to be a reorganization but the overall goal would be retained.

  • #751770

    GregF
    Participant

    @sue wrote:

    That’s a very selective list of 13 projects, and I think, Greg, you’ve set out to prove the glass is half-empty. Taking a starting point of 1995 (the birth of the Celtic Tiger), you could include a lot of other things that have been done, such as the redevelopment of Dublin docklands, the new library in TCD, the national gallery extension, the aquatic centre, the M1 motorway, the bypassing of Kildare and points west, etc.
    Yes things do take ages, but the more considered approach sometimes work. Do we really need a Metro? Does anyone other than Michael O’Leary really think that a second terminal in Dublin Airport is essential? on the Abbey, for example, far better to take ages and get it right than rush into another mistake

    Ah yes …but these projects were mooted for ages , even before the Celtic Tiger. The saying then, pre Celtic Tiger was ”if only we had the money we could……”
    A comparison, within the same time, besides rebuilding their rugby team and surpassing us, Wales have a massive National Stadium and an Opera House too. Scotland have their only Parliament buildings, London has the ”Eye” and a ”Gherkin”. Come on we can do better. Boundaries have to be pushed, else wallow forever in mediocrity!

  • #751771

    Anonymous
    Participant

    @gregf wrote:

    Spire……………………………………Done
    LUAS…………………………………..Done
    Croke Park redevelopment ……..Done

    O’Connell Street makeover …….Work in Progress
    Dublin Port Tunnel ……………….Work in Progress

    National Stadium…………………To be Done
    National Conferance Centre ….To be Done
    Calatrava Bridge………………….To be Done
    U2 Tower……………………………To be Done
    Abbey Theatre revamp………….To be Done
    Dublin Airport extension………..To be Done
    National Incinerator………………To be Done
    Digital Hub………………………….Abandoned

    3 outta a random 13 done……kinda takes ages!

    Luas still not done greg the original scheme involved three lines, we only have 1.8 lines that don’t connect and cost 250% of the original budget

    Croke Park done but not open as a National stadium

    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3105&highlight=croke+park

    see also http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2563&highlight=croke+park

    O’Connell St makeover had its capital funding given on a drip drip basis delaying completion by five years
    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2087&page=7&pp=25

    see also http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=1875

    Dublin Port Tunnel one project that ran reasonably smoothly although the issue of the tunnel height was an issue

    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2695&highlight=dublin+port+tunnel

    Looking at your list of eight outstanding projects not yet started]http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2563&highlight=croke+park[/url]

    U2 Tower will be completed in 2007 http://www.ddda.ie (thankfully it is being done by the private sector)

    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2034

    see also http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=1852
    see also http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=1833
    see also http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=1832

    Abbey Theatre as stated on the O’Connell St thread the Mayor is pushing for some of the Carlton site to be acquired, this with a bit of vision could happen if the Abbey doesn’t go bankraupt in the meantime.

    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2787

    see also http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?p=31954#post31954

    Dublin Airport extension going to Brussels for 5 years litigation
    http://www.ryanair.ie

    National Incinerator, won’t happen due to the structure of regional waste management bodies, the Dublin Incinerator won’t happen due to McDowell actively blocking it.
    http://www.michaelmcdowell.com

    Digital Hub Will happen although the format will definitely be varied now that MIT Europe no longer exists
    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=1471&highlight=digital+hub

    National Conference Centre what a damn mess word is that the Citywest hotel and country club is in pole position for this at present, I just love this one Graham you’re good
    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3325&highlight=national+conference+centre
    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=220&highlight=national+conference+centre

    Metro plan as per DTO 2001 & DRTS 1976 still at the feasibility study stage 29 years and countless versions later
    http://www.platform11.org
    see also http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3679

    M50 still not complete and about to be rebuilt only 15 years after the first section was opened

    http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2687

  • #751772

    dc3
    Participant

    There are two planned Dublin airport projects, both undone and both unstarted.

    – Second parallel runway

    – Second Terminal

  • #751773

    Anonymous
    Participant

    @dc3 wrote:

    There are two planned Dublin airport projects, both undone and both unstarted.

    – Second parallel runway

    – Second Terminal

    http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqid=3898-qqqx=1.asp

    Confidential report rejected proposed airport terminal site

    10 April 2005 By Niamh Connolly, Public Affairs Reporter
    The report by US engineering consultants Skidmore, Owings and Merrill (SOM) and Irish consultants Project Management – seen by The Sunday Business Post – was presented to the former Aer Rianta board two years ago as part of its masterplan but has not been published.

    It found that the site at the airport’s north apron, proposed by the new Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) for the new terminal, provided the least benefits for the airport’s future expansion. Transport minister Martin Cullen is expected to present plans to cabinet for the DAA to build a second terminal on land it owns north of the existing terminal.

    This is the DAA’s preferred option.However, international consultants warned that the space reserved for aircraft on this site would be “forever capped’‘ at just 30 “stands’‘. In addition, the new facility would not accommodate the 30 million additional passengers by 2018 forecasted in the airports’own masterplan. The cabinet debate may prove contentious with the PDs, led by Tánaiste Mary Harney, reaffirming this weekend that there needs to be competition at Dublin Airport.

    The PD transport spokesmanTomMorrissey has called for the SOMreport to be published. He said there were only two parties that shouldn’t build the new terminal – Ryanair and theDAA. Aer Lingus has also voiced concerns about the DAA’s north apron site as it fears there will be insufficient airside space to accommodate its planned new wide-bodied long-haul aircraft. TheSOM/ProjectManagement report was commissioned in 2001 and is believed to have taken two years to complete. It is understood to have cost €3.5 million. One of two options favoured by the consultants in the report recommended that the terminal be developed east of the airport to include satellite piers and cargo facilities west of the runway on land privately owned by theMcEvaddys.

    The second option was to ‘replace’ the existing terminal with a new facility and piers on the western site owned by the McEvaddys. The eastern site would then be reserved for cargo and a business park. However, DAA has made the north apron site its preferred option following requests from the government. The expert report ranks the north apron as the second least attractive of four possible options weighted by functionality, deliverability and cost.The north site was ranked second lowest on “functionality’‘, as it would accommodate only 12 million additional passengers and would reduce “two terminals of different capacities and services’‘. In the future, it would have to be “supplemented by satellite piers west of the 16/34’‘ (runway), on lands owned by the McEvaddys, the consultants said.The north sitewould also incur the highest longterm capital costs up to 2018, at €3.4 billion.

    The optimal east site,which so far have not publicly figured in deliberations, would cost €3.14 billion. It is described as “most conducive to incremental expans ion and steady capit al expenditure’‘. The lowest long-term capital cost at €2.77 billion would be to build on land to thewest owned by the McEvaddys. This option would also incur the lowest operation and maintenance cost, according to the report. The north site rated second highest of the four options under “deliverability’‘ as the land is owned by DAA and no land purchase negotiations are required. Fine Gael’s Olivia Mitchell said it was unclear why the government and the DAA favour the north apron against the weight of the consultant report’s advice. “The only thing going for it is that the DAA owns the land,” she said.

    Disruption linked with the north apron option by the consultants includes: * the demolition of existing multi-storey car parks; * relocating FLS to the far west,which would cost an estimated €80 million; * relocating cargo, and * considerable additional elevated roadway and second set of terminal roads.

  • #751774

    Rockflanders
    Participant

    @notjim wrote:

    what have you heard Rockflanders? my impression was there was going to be a reorganization but the overall goal would be retained.

    The whole thing has been thrown out. There is a view now that it should be done in a piecemeal fashion like temple bar or plot by plot like Ballymun. This is after asking the private sector to fork out millions preparing bids. No wonder the PPP take up is so low in the business community. It’s like buying manhattan.

  • #751775

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Just to clarify any misunderstandings on the Digital hub

    http://www.rte.ie/business/2005/0412/jobs.html

    Dublin Digital Hub wins games jobs

    April 12, 2005 12:48
    Canadian games company DC Studios is to set up a development studio in Dublin’s Digital Hub, backed by IDA Ireland.

    DC develops video games for consoles, PCs and mobile phones. The jobs will be for graduates, including software programmers, artists, designers and producers.

    ‘The digital media sector has been identified as an area of opportunity for this country and DC Studios, a young ambitious company, will be a valued addition to the growing cluster of digital media activities in Ireland, in particular games development,’ said Enterprise, Trade & Employment Minister Micheal Martin.

    DC Studios said its decision to locate in Dublin was in response to substantial growth in its business, with many of its customers based in Europe. Ends

    Now whether it is any more than two developers, a receptionist and a security gaurd I can’t clarify. The Digital Hub is a project I would like to see succeed as it is not only at the cutting edge but also has certain sub-cultural qualities.

    The remaining issues on this thread are probably the main reasons why the Hub has been so slow to kick off.

  • #751776

    Anonymous
    Participant

    National Stadium now done,

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/2005/0416/gaarule42.html

    Croker opens for soccer and rugby

    Irish national soccer and rugby teams could soon be playing in front of Hill 16

    Saturday, April 16 2005 5:40
    The motion to let the GAA’s Central Council decide on the opening up of Croke Park to other sports has been carried by 227 to 97 vote.

    The GAA can now allow soccer and rugby to be played in Croke Park under certain circumstances.

    The motion voted on, which had been put forward by Sligo, asked that Central Council be given the power to allow Croke Park to be used for other sports while Lansdowne Road is being redeveloped.

    The debate that followed the secret ballot was emotional, touching on ideology, identity and ethos.

    The Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism John O’Donoghue commended the GAA for their decision, calling it a hugely significant gesture which will benefit all Irish sporting fans.

    He said: “Croke Park is a towering example of what can be achieved in terms of sporting infrastructure and a huge testament to the vision, foresight and resourcefulness of the GAA.”

    And he attempted to allay the fear that the playing of non-GAA sports in Croke Park would give soccer and rugby an advantage: “I am confident that its temporary use for soccer and rugby will cement the public’s respect for our largest sporting organisation and place Gaelic games on an even stronger footing – both at home and internationally.”

    So that leaves us with 4 done, 2 late but under construction and 7 either not started or as far away as ever

  • #751777

    JPD
    Participant

    Thats great at least the matches won’t have to be played in Old Trafford

  • #751778

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Back to the airport; it would appear that the only way Dublin Airport has been able to function up to now has been with all proper security thrown out the window. When it was no longer possible to get a fake bomb and knife through customs this happens

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0417/airport.html

    Delays ease at Dublin Airport

    17 April 2005 16:51
    The situation at Dublin Airport has improved after many passengers endured long queues earlier today at departure gates due to new stringent security checks.

    The more stringent procedures have been introduced at the airport as a result of an audit by the European Civil Aviation Council and the Department of Transport that revealed breaches in security.

    Passengers travelling out of Dublin Airport are being advised to check-in at least 90 minutes before their flights and join the queue for security immediately.

    Earlier, some passengers said they had been waiting for as long as two hours and were concerned that they may miss their flights.

    A spokesperson for a number of the airlines has said it was a matter for the airlines and passengers if they missed flights.

    Airport officials are warning that there will be long delays again at peak times tomorrow morning. Ends

  • #751779

    Anonymous
    Participant

    WAs 90 minutes getting through security this morning at Dublin Airport and to add insult to injury I got soaked boarding my flight from the tarmac outside Pier A, Lima has airbridges why can’t Dublin?

  • #751780

    Rory W
    Participant

    Having had to run shoeless to my gate barely making my flight, due to the security checks and having queued for 80 mins (from 5:40am) PLEASE BUILD ANOTHER TERMINAL (yes I know I’m shouting) and while I’m ranting Aer Lingus – bring more bloody breakfasts you useless shower

  • #751781

    Anonymous
    Participant

    @sue wrote:

    That’s a very selective list of 13 projects, and I think, Greg, you’ve set out to prove the glass is half-empty. Taking a starting point of 1995 (the birth of the Celtic Tiger), you could include a lot of other things that have been done, such as the redevelopment of Dublin docklands, the new library in TCD, the national gallery extension, the aquatic centre, the M1 motorway, the bypassing of Kildare and points west, etc.

    Aquatic centre move ‘astonishing’ – judge

    http://www.rte.ie/business/2005/0603/stadium.html

    June 03, 2005 16:43
    A High Court judge has said it is nothing short of astonishing that the lease for the National Aquatic Centre, a State asset worth €62m, was granted to Dublin Waterworld Ltd, a company which has paid no rent in over two years.

    The shareholding in Campus and Stadium Ireland Development Ltd (CSID), which granted the contract to Dublin Waterworld, is held by the Taoiseach and two Government Ministers.

    Mr Justice Peter Kelly was giving judgment on an application by Dublin Waterworld for a stay on legal proceedings seeking possession of the centre.

    In March 2003 CSID awarded the contract to operate the National Aquatic Centre to Dublin Waterworld Ltd on a 30-year lease.

    CSID is the State company responsible for the site at Abbotstown in Dublin and its shareholding is held by the Taoiseach, the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Arts, Sport & Tourism.

    In the High Court today Mr Justice Peter Kelly called it nothing short of astonishing that the lease for such a valuable State asset had been granted to a company with a share capital of €127 and no fixed or current assets except for a sum of over €12,000 due from its own subsidiary. He said the lease was comprehensive but of little benefit if the tenant is not a tenant of substance.

    Dublin Waterworld, with registered offices in Tralee, has not paid a single cent in rent since it assumed possession, the court heard. And the judge pointed out that failure to pay rent long pre-dates the difficulties that arose earlier this year when the roof blew off.

    During the court proceedings, €740,000, lodged as security against potential debts, was transferred to CSID but Mr Justice Kelly pointed out this left CSID with no guarantee against future debts and €300,000 was still outstanding.

    CSID began proceedings seeking repossession of the centre. Then Dublin Waterworld asked the court to put a stay on these proceedings to allow issues to go to arbitration. Today Mr Justice Kelly decided that issues in relation to VAT and repair and maintenance can go to arbitration but not the question of non-payment of rent.

    This means CSID can still proceed with court proceedings for repossession of the Aquatic Centre.
    Ends

  • #751782

    Anonymous
    Participant

    @gregf wrote:

    Spire……………………………………Done
    LUAS…………………………………..Done
    Croke Park redevelopment ……..Done

    O’Connell Street makeover …….Work in Progress
    Dublin Port Tunnel ……………….Work in Progress

    National Stadium…………………To be Done
    National Conferance Centre ….To be Done
    Calatrava Bridge………………….To be Done
    U2 Tower……………………………To be Done
    Abbey Theatre revamp………….To be Done
    Dublin Airport extension………..To be Done
    National Incinerator………………To be Done
    Digital Hub………………………….Abandoned

    3 outta a random 13 done……kinda takes ages!

    Here we are two years to the day later and not a single project completed on the to be done list.

  • #751783

    Anonymous
    Participant

    i think the martha swartz docklands scheme has progressed more quickly than anything else i’ve seen mentioned on this site … first mentioned by kefu on 14th jan 06 & here we are with it almost complete one year later.

  • #751784

    Rory W
    Participant

    Mind you they are finally on site for the National Conference centre – saw the Auger out there yesterday

  • #751785

    Bren88
    Participant

    can anyone update the whole list? the tunnel is done and o connel street, and the airport on the way,
    can have accurate info on the rest

  • #751786

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Airport terminal

    Heading for the High Court if not Strasbourg

    Of the 6 National Government funded projects only an incomplete Luas has proceeded to completion, the Abbey is mired in a Beckett style malais, the incinerator is being actively blocked by the Tanaiste, the Digital Hub has become a property regeneration project entirely controlled by 2 private companies albeit welcome regeneration, the Bertie Bowl is dead and Dublin Airport is about as efficient as the Zimbabwean government ; of the local authority projects undertaken by DCC 3 have completed all years late and the other is yet to complete with no explanation for the slippage offered but this observer suspects it is because National Government was late delivering their slice of the funding; of the DDDA projects the National conference centre is years late and a completion date for the U2 Tower is anyones guess if ever. The GAA are the only people who have kept to their timetable from this list.

  • #751787

    GregF
    Participant

    Spire…………………………………Done
    LUAS………………………………..Done
    Croke Park redevelopment ……..Done

    O’Connell Street makeover …….Done
    Dublin Port Tunnel ……………….Done

    National Stadium…………………Work in Progress
    National Conferance Centre ….Work in Progress
    Calatrava Bridge………………….Work in Progress
    U2 Tower……………………………Abandoned
    Abbey Theatre revamp………….To be Done
    Dublin Airport extension………..To be Done
    National Incinerator………………Abandoned
    Digital Hub………………………….Abandoned

    5 outta a random 13 done and 2 over halfway near completion……getting there!

  • #751788

    Fergal
    Participant

    I think it’s more accurate to say

    Spire…………………………………Done
    LUAS………………………………..Done
    Croke Park redevelopment ……..Done

    O’Connell Street makeover …….Done
    Dublin Port Tunnel ……………….Done

    National Stadium…………………Abandoned
    National Conferance Centre ….Work in Progress
    Calatrava Bridge………………….Work in Progress-ish
    U2 Tower……………………………Abandoned
    Abbey Theatre revamp………….To be Done
    Dublin Airport extension………..Work in Progress
    National Incinerator………………Planning Appproved
    Digital Hub………………………….Abandoned

  • #751789

    jdivision
    Participant

    @fergal wrote:

    O’Connell Street makeover …….Done

    Done, but to be ripped up again if Metro North goes ahead

  • #751790

    GregF
    Participant

    National Stadium (Aka Lansdowne Road, as in Aviva Stadium)…………………Work in Progress!

    Aye … I missed that, I was thinking of the Bertie Bowl…… long forgotton!

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