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  • #706625

    GregF
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    See a E400 million regeneration project is proposed for part of the Dublin Docks which will comprise of several towers which will act as a gateway for the city. Merchants Gate will be one of the largest developments in the docks and ‘will create a spectacular entrance to the city….there will be a wow factor just like the high rise buildings in New York or Chicago’ a quote from the Irish Times from the development’s prospector.
    Seeing is believing!

    (No doubt the anti-high rise brigade are making up their ‘NO to High-Rise’ placards).

  • #737323

    Andrew Duffy
    Participant

    Source? I am a bit of a fan of this kind of thing…

  • #737324

    GregF
    Participant

    Source = the Irish Times commercial property supplement today.

  • #737325

    Andrew Duffy
    Participant

    Thanks, I’d already found it:

    http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/commercialproperty/2003/1119/3444913181CPDOCKS.html

    Sorry lads. A pair of 19-storey buildings will not generate a “wow factor just like high rise buildings in New York or Chicago”, as the buildings there are predominantly over 60 storeys high, with some over 100 stories. A pair of 19-storey buildings might generate a boredom factor equivalent to visiting Birmingham. Or Dublin, for that matter.

    And they’re ugly too.

  • #737326

    GregF
    Participant

    Aye …looking at the images, they are quite bland are’nt they…..just regular run of the mill shite that would be found anywhere else abroad ….ie a provincial British city etc… yet we are making a big thing outta them. Jesus help us!

    Please could we get some striking styling done to invigorate them to make it worth while.
    It is a sad reflection on us to to see that we consider a mere 19 storey tower block as ‘spectacular’. Jesus help us again ….have these people ever been outside the country.

  • #737327

    GrahamH
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    Boring! (design)

    And their wide, stoutness further diminishes their ‘landmarkness’. staggering downwards creating a crude Irish version of the Sears Tower.
    Tall, elegant and slender please!

  • #737328

    -Donnacha-
    Participant

    And still far better than “The worst urban renewal scheme ever undertaken by man”, or whatever the DDDA are calling the rubbish they’re inflicting on the docklands at the moment.

    In fairness the buildings mentioned here might generate a “wow” factor in Dublin, since even though they are quite bland, they’re absolutely and completely unique in the context of ultra unmodern Dublin.

  • #737329

    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    This is so funny – this is like Micheal McDowell raging on about the Donnybrook “tower” – comparing it’s HUGE scale to the MONSTER that is … um… Liberty Hall.
    19 stories would make me go “wow” only if it actually got permission to get built.

    Use of the word “tower” a tad questionable too

  • #737330

    Anonymous
    Participant

    The expression gateway has been used,

    gateway to where?

  • #737331

    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    “gateway” is now a buzz phrase the developers think will make the planners go “ah grand go ahead”….. its like architects using “narrative” or “layering” when stuck….

  • #737332

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Paul I couldn’t agree with you more between photomontages and buzwords it is very difficult to know what is going on. The problem is that quite often poorly thought out schemes get through on the basis ‘smoke and mirrors’ style cons

  • #737333

    phil
    Participant

    Another favourite buzz-word at the moment has to be “landmark building”. It is equally unclear and fuzzy.

  • #737334

    notjim
    Participant

    it actually looks about right for the site, which is more jersey city than nyc and isn’t really a landmark location.

  • #737335

    urbanisto
    Participant

    Another ”landmark” development is going up at the corner of Capel St and Little Mary St…. and guess what its about as bland as they come.

    Other favourite busswords…. ”stunning”, ”outstanding”… for almost every housing devlopment.

    As for location of Merchants Gate – wasnt this the Wiggs Teape site that was so brutally slaughtered one bank holiday weekend…?

    Anyway its the best place for high rise in the city. As I have always thought…. goodbye lowrise, working class East Wall hello brave new shiny mega monster skyscraper 19 storey docklands!!

    Stunning

    Outstanding

  • #737336

    notjim
    Participant

    no, it is south of the wiggins teape site, it was the ratheborne candle factory and other bits and pieces, the developers have been collecting it for years.

    wiggins teape has planning permission for i think six stories of offices in five blocks, very suburban, ie bland. anyway they are hoping to change two of these to residential, planning pending.

    why do people always want to knock down east wall, what about fairview, clontarf, marino? leave east wall, we need a variety of housing types and there is enough brown field in the area for high rise apartments and offices.

  • #737337

    Andrew Duffy
    Participant

    Which landmark on Capel St./Little Mary St. is this now?

  • #737338

    ro_G
    Participant

    I wish certain idiot politicians would stop using the term Spatial too, until they at least have it explained to them peoperly. (I believe gateway also started passing into the public mind after the National Spacial Strategy)

  • #737339

    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    The notion of a gateway is a good one though – if ever put into reality. Example: arriving into Dublin from the north – either by airport or train is not an inpsiring image – but if you arrived into swanky well designed “wow factor” buildings your impressions would be much higher. You know what they say about first ones…
    So piggybacking on this notion gives developers leverage with planners.

  • #737340

    ro_G
    Participant

    does that not move us into ‘form without substance’, or appearance without reality though?

  • #737341

    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Speaking of Landmarks and all that malarky – London just approved a Renzo Piano designed jewel. It went through so much consultation and get reduced in scale and imapct several times – yet they still end up with a spectacular genuine “Landmark”. Can’t get the big pictures – check out http://www.rpwf.org/ for more…

  • #737342

    mackers
    Participant

    That’s nice, but it’s a bit like a shiny 21st Century Transamerica Pyramid (San Francisco) – same aspect ratio and relationship to surrounding bulidings.

  • #737343

    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Yeah – very transamerica… and a city like that knows a thing or two about creating the “gateway” ideal – arrive from Oakland on the East on the fabulous Bay Bridge to a perfectly formed skyline with the transamerica the apex. Arrive from the North on the Golden Gate – ’nuff said there.
    Our most prominent tall landmark – the spike, is also our most invisible! All the initial talk of how it will change with the day and provide a 365 a year monument etc – in reality it fades into the background – the most camoflaged “landmark” in Ireland!

  • #737344

    Anonymous
    Participant

    maybe in summer … but in winter the spire really shines in the low winter sun.

  • #737345

    Anonymous
    Participant

    nothing invisible about this

  • #737346

    phil
    Participant

    Saw it yesterday from middle of Dublin bay. Framed by Liberty hall and what SOM referred to as the towers of darkness (the newish buildings on Georges quay). Looked quite visible from where I was.

  • #737347

    Anonymous

    it also changes quite significantly with the changing light. yesterday there was a dramatic glowwing yellow streak right down the whole side of it from the low sun angle. i have also seen it coloured black down one side and shining down the other ( from mary street when there were dark clouds on the northside and sunshine on the south) has to be the most impressive variation i have seen so far. its changing quality is its most successful quality. perhaps too subtle for some but i find it a constant source of interest.

  • #737348

    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Granted in the icy blue skies and sun of the last few days – but in cloudy or grey miserable days, which lets face it – we have plenty of…

  • #737349

    Anonymous

    it still intensifies the light and weather conditions. when the sun is shining the spire shines brighter when the sky is dull the spire takes on an even duller matte appearence. i think its quite beatiful.
    the poor quality of finish on the spire and the lights fiasco are a disgrace. but i think ritchie should be commended for pulling off this part of the design. from a distance, it is as good as he promised.

  • #737350

    GrahamH
    Participant

    The towers of darkness mentioned – the steel strips atop the joins of their pyramids turn dazzlingly bright when seen in the setting sun from College St, unbelievably bright.

  • #737351

    phil
    Participant

    What are these buidings called? I only referred to them as the towers of darkness because it was the only name I had heard them being being called.

  • #737352

    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Um – Georges Qy Buildings… PWC HQ?!?

    Cosgrave’s landmark…?

    The pyramid roof place…

  • #737353

    Andrew Duffy
    Participant

    One George’s Quay Plaza. It’s on a plaque above the door.

  • #737354

    Anonymous
    Participant

    What ever happened to Dermot Desmonds ‘Eco-Sphere’ That he presented at the Spencer Dock Public Enquiry?

    That would make a genuine landmark building. I like one Georges Quay from the Interior and Amiens St but from other vantage points it sticks out like six sore thumbs.

  • #737355

    Anonymous
    Participant

    … nothing wrong with a building sticking out if it’s of some merit …

  • #737356

    Rory W
    Participant

    What ever happened to Dermot Desmonds ‘Eco-Sphere’ That he presented at the Spencer Dock Public Enquiry?

    It’s now Stack A/chq/Terence Conrans new restaurant

  • #737357

    phil
    Participant

    I quite like the way Busaras and the IFSC AIB building act as a gateway to the city when approaching from Amiens Street. The view of One Georges Quay Plaza adds an extra aspect to this view. I also like the gateway effect of the Millenium tower and the old concrete structures of Boland’s Mill.

  • #737358

    Anonymous

    the idea of a gateway is boring to the point of tedium. they arn’t relevant anymore. i mean how many people really come to dublin on a ship down the liffey anymore?
    we should concentrate on giving the city a coherent identity (encompassing the diverse areas) instead of worrying about some throw back concept from ancient rome, being executed with the innovation of a dead cat.

  • #737359

    phil
    Participant

    I am not promoting the idea of building gateways everywhere, I was just admiring the way in which those two examples actually seem to work on some level. what I like about them is that they were not conceived in the same way as the present proposals are. The different buildings involved were built at very different times but seem to work to some effect along side each other.

  • #737360

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Any word on this one?

  • #737361

    Anonymous

    The article mentions only one 19-story tower, but the rendering shows two….

  • #737362

    Andrew Duffy
    Participant

    This has been approved by Dublin City Council; it is an absolute certainty that it will be appealed against.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/planning/swiftknowledge/articleDetail.php?hk=40201c9125036

  • #737363

    phil
    Participant

    It looks kind of strange along there at the moment, the way parts of the old walls of the demolished buildings still front onto the streets.

  • #737364

    Irishtown
    Participant

    What?! This got approved?!

    Nice!!

  • #737365

    Andrew Duffy
    Participant

    It still has to get through the inevitable appeal, and then there is no guarantee that it will be built – full permission exists for office towers at Tara St. Station and Sir John Rogerson’s Quay with no sign of them being started.

  • #737366

    Anonymous
    Participant

    There will be serious construction complications with Tara St with it being so close to a rail line, but I see that the new tenant in the principal building is CIE enginering, so that at least indicates that it will probably be built eventually.

    As for JR Quay, no-one seems to know whats going to happen with the U2 tower. The OMS scheme it appears is dead, and Dublin is very much the loser on that one.

    I’m not so sure on the design quality of this one, the height is fine if not a little conservative for the site but it fails to deliver the wow factor in the way that the Gherkin for pure cheek or the shard for pure form delivered in London.

  • #737367

    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Shame about the OMS scheme – t’would have looked great in that part of the city.

  • #737368

    burge_eye
    Participant

    Originally posted by phil
    What are these buidings called? I only referred to them as the towers of darkness because it was the only name I had heard them being being called.

    canary dwarf????

  • #737369

    phil
    Participant

    Originally posted by burge_eye

    canary dwarf????

    Thanks for that Burge_eye 😀

    I have also heard it called the pointy hat buildings as well.

  • #737370

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Something is happening at last with the U2 Tower, there is a tender document on http://www.ddda.ie for engineering services.

  • #737371

    Irishtown
    Participant

    Great !

    It says the Deadline is Oct/Nov and the contract is awarded in December. Which means we may know if it will be approved by Spring of 2005?

  • #737372

    Rockflanders
    Participant

    Surely this building is a gateway due to the fact that it will be the first seen on exiting the Dublin Port Tunnel?

  • #737373

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Looking at the images in Todays SBP I might have been a bit harsh on this one, but the carparking provision being sought is off the wall at 1100 spaces.

  • #737374

    Rockflanders
    Participant

    looks like it got planning. 64 metre tower and all.
    A disgrace to build buildings that height if youask me.

  • #737375

    stira
    Participant

    so this did get premission from bord pleanala? what ever happened to the scheme or site?

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