Help! Malton / Champs D’ Elysees
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I need help on 2 questions (Paul I can assure you I used the search, but to no avail)
When was the Champs D’ Elleyses (rough spelling) laid out & developed? I know its early 19th century, but to the nearest 5 years if possible. Other sites & Brittanica not helpful.
And secondly, does anyone know of any colour publication/compilation of James Malton’s views of Dublin from the late 18th century? And where it may be purchased/available?
What I really also need is a watercolour/picture of City Hall/Royal Exchange from the late 18th or early 19th century. I’ve never seen any image of it by Malton.
I was in the National Gallery Shop, and they have ‘upmarket’ posters, of some of Malton’s views, but none of the Royal Exchange.
Anyone know of a Dublin shop that might stock it (and one of the Parliament House for good measure)Any help at all please,
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Originally posted by Graham Hickey
What I really also need is a watercolour/picture of City Hall/Royal Exchange from the late 18th or early 19th century. I’ve never seen any image of it by Malton.It exists anyway (see here). I don’t know if you can find this in Dublin but Barnes & Noble will ship to Ireland.
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Originally posted by Graham Hickey
And secondly, does anyone know of any colour publication/compilation of James Malton’s views of Dublin from the late 18th century? And where it may be purchased/available?
What I really also need is a watercolour/picture of City Hall/Royal Exchange from the late 18th or early 19th century. I’ve never seen any image of it by Malton.there is a colour book of maltons views of dublin for sale in the oxfam bookshop on parliament street.. i’ve seen the image of city hall….
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Brilliant! Thanks.
Just about the Champ Elysees, its widely regarded that Dublin thought in terms of a boulevard before London or Paris with O’ Connell St, work on which began in 1777 (to extend to river). Was the Champ Elysees widened/structurally adjusted in 1828 into a boulevard, & not just the aforementioned gas lighting etc installed?
(I need to prove that O’ Connell St (not Gardiners Mall) predates the Champ Elysees boulevard-wise)
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AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!
Went into the shop this morning, the book was sold only a few days ago!!!
As a result, I have just spent the past 3 hours trudging around the city centre in the p*ssing rain, going in and out of every musty, foul-smelling second-hand bookshop in this God-forsaken hellhole, trying to speak to eccentric Anglo Irish accented middle-aged women with wavy grey hair, above classical music blasting from their 1970s tape recorders, looking for another copy, all to no avail.
Back to square one.
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City Hall:
In Penguins “History of Architecture” series, their volume on the eighteenth century made clear reference to, and showed a picture of Malton’s sketch of The Royal Exchange.
As for the extension to the river, surely its irrelevant? Sackville Street was the first boulevard of its type in Europe, from 1745 onwards. 1802 was the exact date that it became connected to the series of streets south of the river. Demolition of other streets began in stages – from 1745 right until 1802.
Hope that’s some help!
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How much would you be willing to spend?
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It appears Malton’s Collection is quite hard to come by, one man in a shop told me he hadn’t seen it in years. I managed to get some decent prints from the Ntl Gallery Shop of Trinity & Sackville St, and so City Hall is not needed, but still none of the Parliament House (BOI), although I have seen it before.
I suppose the extention to the river is irrelevant, and so I take from your comments
J. Seerski, that the Champ Elysees was not a proper boulevard until the 1820s. -
From http://www.pps.org:
History & Background
The prominence of the avenue gradually developed through the 17th and 18th centuries under a variety of kings and architects. It was conceived in 1610 to give King Louis XIV an impressive view from the Tuileries garden. First completed in 1774, in 1828 Napolean added footpaths, fountains, and gas lighting, and this boulevard, as well as many others, took on a monumental, processionary quality.
A 1994 restoration helped the boulevard regain some of its charm as a promenade. New street furniture was added, cars were diverted to side roads, the sidewalks were widened and improved, bollards were installed, parking problems were appeased by an underground garage, and the street’s general appearance was improved with granite paving and double rows of trees.
From http://www.champselysees.org/:
CREATION DES CHAMPS-ELYSEES
[LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, ANDRE] LE NÔTRE, SOUS LA DIRECTION DE COLBERT, SUITE A UNE DECISION PRISE EN 1667, CREA A LA SORTIE OCCIDENTALE DE PARIS, DANS LE BUT D’EMBELLIR ET D’AGREMENTER LE PALAIS DES TUILERIES DEPUIS L’ARRIERE DU PALAIS JUSQU’A LA MONTAGNE DE CHAILLOT, UN PAYSAGE ORGANISE COMPOSE D’AVENUES, DE PLANTATIONS ET D’ESPACES LIBRES QUI ALLAIENT ÊTRE LES CHAMPS-ELYSEES. ELLE FIT DONC OFFICE DE PARC CHAMPÊTRE POUR LE PALAIS DES TUILERIES. LE DUC D’ANTIN ET LE MARQUIS DE MARIGNY POURSUIVIRENT LES TRAVAUX ENTAMES PAR COLBERT. LE MARQUIS DE MARIGNY DECIDA LA REPLANTATION COMPLETE DES PROMENADES. C’EST UN PEU AVANT 1770 QUE LES CHAMPS-ELYSEES ACQUIRENT LA PHYSIONOMIE REGULIERE QU’ELLES GARDERONT JUSQU’AU MILIEU DU 19è SIECLE. A CETTE EPOQUE, LA PLACE DE L’ETOILE, ENCORE AU MILIEU DE LA CAMPAGNE, CONNUT LES ILLUMINATIONS DES FETES REVOLUTIONNAIRES, AVANT D’ÊTRE, GRACE A L’ARC DE TRIOMPHE ET AUX HOTELS D’HITTORFF, VERITABLEMENT INTEGREE DANS LA VILLE. A PARTIR DE 1794, PENDANT LA REVOLUTION, LES CHAMPS-ELYSEES ETAIT UN RECEPTACLE D’ESCROTS ET D’ASSASSINS PUIS SOUS LE CONSULAT ET L’EMPIRE, CE FUT UN LIEU DE PROMENADE ET DE LOISIR POUR LES PRIVILEGIES.
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have you tried the gallery of photography in Meetinghouse Square or the Photographic Archive at the same location.
The Archive stocks books from the collection of the National Library, such as the historic maps series and one on the Iriah Parliment, which should have the Malton view in it, They may also stock the Malton prints themselves.
Otherwise try the national library, i thought the Maltons were in their collection and they may do prints or posters of them.
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Is this the Malton image?
http://www.tourismdev.com/images/dublincityhall200223.jpg -
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