Past ambitious road projects that were never built!!
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I think this will be a very interesting thread, and bring back memory rehaul 🙂
Firstly was there an ambitious plan in the 1960s to have a highway network from Dublin to the cities in a trunk style layout i.e. all branches just outside Dublin?
A magnificent electrified railway from Cork to Belfast, That was a plan that was on the agenda for years and partly funded by the EU or is this not true?
Another example does anyone ever catch out anything on the M50 when looking at the interchanges numbers?? :rolleyes:
Here we go, M1 to N7 are all numbered from 1 to 9 yet there is no junction 8, I came across an old article that popped out of the search engine by accident,
The reason that there is no Junction 8 because in the future it was meant to be the original M7/M50 motorway/motorway interchange that would traverse between Lucan and Clondalkin. It was later scrapped.
Ring any bells?Well anyone got any other stories to tell?
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No no, I know about the ORD that goes parellel to M50 , I’m talking about a motorway at horizontal view going in the direction between Lucan and Clondalkin to the M50 at the supposedly Junction 8??? This was probably a plan way back when the M50 was built.
I do hope somebody knows about this beside’s myself 🙂
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Firstly was there an ambitious plan in the 1960s to have a highway network from Dublin to the cities in a trunk style layout i.e. all branches just outside Dublin?
Forgive me but isn’t that what the NRA is trying to do now with the national roads upgrade programme?
A magnificent electrified railway from Cork to Belfast, That was a plan that was on the agenda for years and partly funded by the EU or is this not true?
I have never heard of any plan like this except from people who say, “would it be great if we had a…”. It probably started when the DART was first conceived.
Another example does anyone ever catch out anything on the M50 when looking at the interchanges numbers?? :rolleyes:
Here we go, M1 to N7 are all numbered from 1 to 9 yet there is no junction 8, I came across an old article that popped out of the search engine by accident,
The reason that there is no Junction 8 because in the future it was meant to be the original M7/M50 motorway/motorway interchange that would traverse between Lucan and Clondalkin. It was later scrapped.
Ring any bells?Again I never, ever heard of this M7 motorway to the M50. As far as I’m aware, the Jtn8 is a future Junction to give access into Bluebell Industrial Estate.
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Yes I know that, I’m just stating that there was an ambitous plan back then around the time Ireland joined the EU. I’m talking about the past plan not the current plan and NRA for that matter :p
The road begins as the N32 at the Malahide Road in Dublin. It becomes the M50 at Junction 3, which is also Junction 3 on the M1.
Junction 3 – M1
Junction 4 – Ballymun
Junction 5 – N2 / Finglas
Junction 6 – N3 / Castleknock Blanchardstown
West-Link toll bridge
Junction 7 – N4 / Palmerstown
Junction 9 – N7 / Clondalkin
Junction 10 – Belgard
Junction 11 – N81 / Tallaght
Junction 12 – Scholarstown
Junction 13 – Ballinteer/Rathfarnham
Junction 14 – Dundrum / Sandyford
Junction 15 – Leopardstown
Junction 16 – Carrickmines – still under construction
Junction 17 – Loughlinstown
Junction 18 – M11 motorway, Bray/Shankill
There is no Junction 8, the junction number having being reserved for a potential extension of the M7 motorway between Lucan and Clondalkin. This is now unlikely to be built.I pasted this from the search engine,
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@dave123 wrote:
There is no Junction 8, the junction number having being reserved for a potential extension of the M7 motorway between Lucan and Clondalkin. This is now unlikely to be built.
The decision was a straight call between a new motorway parrallel to the existing N7 which would have fed directly into the Longmile Rd and hit two lane land at Crumlin Childrens Hospital or else upgrading the N& to high-quality dual carriageway and four tracking the Kildare Railway line and building an underground metro from Inchicore to Spencer Dock.
It appears the correct decision will be made on Tuesday with capacity equivelent to a 12 lane motorway being unvieled. This is a decision that faces up to the reality of transport provision in an urban setting and will enhance as opposed to hinder tourism potential.
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Yes Dave, at the time the M50 was being conceived the plan was to extend the M7 from Naas between the Grand Canal and Great Southern Railway as far as a proposed junction 8 on the M50. This plan is now dead (thank God) and the present upgrade of the N7 between Naas and Rathcoole are happening because this is to be the route traffic from the south will take as it heads for the M50.
We don’t have that many grand plans that have been abandoned to be honest, the north had serious plans to build motorways all over the place, the bulk of which have now been officially abandoned.
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anyone ever hear of the BKS proposal in 1967 (i think) for cork city centre – it was recommended that a four lane motorway would be built in cork, encircling the city centre with sliproad access to the various radial routes. this was to be a raised roadway and it is said that it would have involved the demolition of literally thousands of buildings – the council (the elected members) accepted this report and its recommendations but the City Manager (Joe McHugh I think) apparently refused and commissioned the LUTS Plan instead.
A lucky escape for Cork methinks. It just goes to show why we need strong civic minded City Managers when strategic decision making is left solely to councillors.
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One of the ambitious road construction plans was the Inner Tangent, which would have encircled the city centre from St. Stephen’s Green to Parnell St. via the Liberties with a dual carriageway, Some of it was built – the dual carriageways on Kevin St. and Bridgefoot St. and the recently-opened Coombe Bypass, but for the most part the route was allowed to go derelict,
The plans for Belfast were absolutely shocking:
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Glasgow has a motorway (M8) running from the airport right through the centre and then on to Edinburgh. There are
junctions and flyovers in the city centre. A lot of beautiful old sandstone buildings were demolished to make way for this road following the logic that knocking down poor people’s houses eliminates poverty.The roads and bridges are now wearing out (the reinforcing is rusting) and is being replaced. The road moves pretty fast most of the time but there are long queues at rush hour to join the motorway.
Central Glasgow has very wide streets compared to Dublin and can cope with higher volumes of car traffic.Here are some photos
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@bunch wrote:
anyone ever hear of the BKS proposal in 1967 (i think) for cork city centre – it was recommended that a four lane motorway would be built in cork, encircling the city centre with sliproad access to the various radial routes. this was to be a raised roadway and it is said that it would have involved the demolition of literally thousands of buildings – the council (the elected members) accepted this report and its recommendations but the City Manager (Joe McHugh I think) apparently refused and commissioned the LUTS Plan instead.
A lucky escape for Cork methinks. It just goes to show why we need strong civic minded City Managers when strategic decision making is left solely to councillors.
I think another element of that plan was to send a roadway down the lee on stilts. I can’t even imagine how awful that would look.
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There is quite a lot of over ambitious projects that were given the dead end,
Dublin will be the only city in Europe that will have no dual lane through road in the city of any kind.
I think these roads are very efficient in getting traffic moving.
Dublin is a through city as a perfect example, The M50 solved a lot of the excessive traffic but now the M50 is a problem, and some alternative needs to be considered than just upgrading the M50,“Eastern bypass”, technically its still pie in the sky and barely touches the city on most parts. The flow generated there would primarily Port and N11 traffic. This proposal is not as economical as having through east west bypass which will have no negative effect on the M50 (I e more congestion) as the Port by pass would be when it opens.
The eastern bypass only takes traffic away from the N11/M1 but adding more traffic onto the existing M50??
I can imagine when the Eastern bypass is finished the Port tunnel will be seriously under capacity pressureEast/West Bypass option.
Like say having N3N4/N7 bypass straight to the port/city getting this traffic moving rather than circling the horrible M50 crossing lanes and onto the M1 to complete the route to East city and Port.
East/West Bypass.
Would be highly effective in relieving through traffic in the city and onto other routes.
It would be much quicker than the Eastern bypass route.
Not to mention taking pressure off the M50 quays and Suburbs like Inchicore.The upgraded N7 that will lead into the Redcow/ Longmile R110 would seriously be bottlenecked right into the city, that road is a horse and cart road in standards of todays traffic.
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Ireland is the most car-dependent society in the world. We need to be doing everything we can to get car-use down.
HERE’S HOW MUCH WE DEPEND ON OUR CARS
The extent of our car dependence is quite startling.
New research shows that if people could not use their own car to commute, a majority (58pc) would get a lift and 8pc would even change jobs.
The RAC findings show that on average, commuters would be willing to travel for about 15 minutes more than they do at present.
They’d be prepared to put up with a commute of more than 50 minutes.
Even if car-commuting time doubled nearly half (46pc) would allow more time for travel with 23pc using other routes. Just 7pc would use public transport.
The news comes as another Car Free Day comes along on Monday and in the wake of a recent report Transport Investment and Economic Development which claims Ireland is the most car-dependent society in the world.
Four-in-10 living in rural Ireland do not even have a basic bus or rail service, leaving them wholly dependent on the car for their mobility, according to a recent Government survey. One quarter are unable to make important trips due to a lack of transport.
Last night RAC Ireland chief Robert Taylor said: “Car Free Day highlights the need for a better public transport system, it unfairly shows car users as the bad guy, which isn’t the case.
“People are wedded to their cars for practical reasons. In many cases people don’t have a choice of an alternative means of transport to get to work, or those living in remote areas don’t have a public transport system to avail off”.
He added: “Due to major expansion in our towns and cities, public transport has not kept pace with the demands for transport.”
The DTO annual report showed 60pc of commuters opted for the car as their first choice of transport.
– Irish Independent Motoring Supplement, September 19th 2003
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@dave123 wrote:
There is quite a lot of over ambitious projects that were given the dead end,
Dublin will be the only city in Europe that will have no dual lane through road in the city of any kind.
I think these roads are very efficient in getting traffic moving.Maybe this is what Dave was talking about… Gosh wasn’t filling in the canals such a missed opportunity :rolleyes:
Come back Travers Moron, all is forgiven :p
I’m just after noticing that Dave 123 has never since posted since his count reached 321… How very odd – another archiseek member gone MIA – maybe his number was up!
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A few illustrations of the effect of the Western Tangent
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Rather than whinge etc about this blatent bending of the IAP, does the CC have any control AT ALL, as to the uses of bldgs on the st? Other that the tax incentives etc, it doesnt appear to. – See more at: https://archiseek.com/forum/topic/o-connell-street-dublin/#sthash.s5OEFCzX.dpuf
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