JoePublic
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@JoePublic wrote:
I don’t see why they changed the carlton facade proposal from the second incarnation, as still seen (for the time being) on http://www.dublincentral.ie. I know setbacks are none too popular on archiseek, but its gotta be better than that boxy shite
To answer my own question, it’s because of this condition from ABP:
12. Redesign the buildings to each side of the entrance from O’Connell Street to the new street to provide a more composed treatment, generally using a limited and traditional palette of materials, paying appropriate respect to the relocated Carlton facade. The height of the Carlton/new department store may be of a scale to reflect its increased significance
They were asked for shite so they gave shite. What a dumb condition.
Dr Quirkeys gets a reprieve.
I don’t see why they changed the carlton facade proposal from the second incarnation, as still seen (for the time being) on http://www.dublincentral.ie. I know setbacks are none too popular on archiseek, but its gotta be better than that boxy shite
@Yixian wrote:
Seems like a great idea just thrown out the window, they could have really made that special.
Agreed. What would have been a free amenity to the tax payer. Could they not just have reduced it in height rather than instructing it be ommitted?
Planning process is a bit nuts. Applicant submits plans to Dublin City Council. Dublin City Council gives opinion, applicant redesigns plans, knowing full well that ABP will just demand another complete redesign later. What a waste of time and money. Could there not be some consultation between DCC and ABP at the beginning of the process, or just cut out the middle man.
@StephenC wrote:
Among features is the omission of the iconic building
While the reduction in demolition (including Henry Street I hope?) is welcome, ABP really know how to take the fun out of things some times.
@Cathal Dunne wrote:
Would you not use the on-screen keyboard? They would have the S and W on it.
Would suggest highlighting and stealing someone else’s ‘s’, with ctrl-c and ctrl-v
You can have one of mine, I’m feeling generous: sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
@what? wrote:
Blind replication of the facades would be a massive step back for architecture in Ireland. The replicated Georgian facades on lower pembroke road are offensive.
Offensive to the 0.1% of the population who are architects, and pleasing to the 99.9% who aren’t.
Project scrapped. Or as they like to phrase it “implemented in stages starting 2013”. After the planning expires like.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2009/0508/1224246116339.html
Google translation of the caption:
A huge bridge in its entirety from the Netherlands to Ireland shipped. The bridge is still in Krimpen aan de IJssel, the company Hollandia that the bridge is built. Sunday leaves the colossus of the sea to Dublin. Reporter Bart Kamphuis looks forward to an ingenious operation.
@Rusty Cogs wrote:
Despite sinage to the contrary it was always 2011. Whether engineering or cash flow has turned it into such a strung out project is another question.
How could it possibly be 2011 :confused:.
I certainly appears that the work on quays and the support in the river are nearly finished, I can’t see how it could take until even the end of this year before the main bridge appears?
Where do you get your 2011 date Rusty?
@GregF wrote:
Wow!……look at the difference. And it all occured within the space of about 40 odd years!
Well done to all involved, a 100% improvement …..LOL!
Jaysus that’s depressing
@Rusty Cogs wrote:
Heard today that the whole project has been frozen. They were certainly taking their time. :confused:
Where did you hear this? :s
@notjim wrote:
In the middle of Stockholm they have a set of five very fine modernist towers, just the sort of buildings I like and probably the nicest buildings I saw in Stockholm.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/H%C3%B6torgsskraporna_stockholm.png
😮
There’s no accounting for taste.
I see from http://www.dublincentral.ie/ that the unlisted granite building on O’Connell street has been given a reprieve. So thumbs up to these changes.
What’s happening on Henry street I wonder.
Question: what would be the build cost per apartment of a building like the watchtower?
Am I right in thinking that Crosbie has owned this land for donkey’s years and so the land cost is virtually zero? So surely no reason why this development couldn’t be enormously profitable even in the current market as long as Crobie prices them at a level that they’re guaranteed to sell.
Unlike the U2 tower which would have a land cost of about 400K per apartment assuming 80 million for the site, 200 apartments.
Sunday business post :):):)
Crosbie set to press ahead with Dublin skyscraper
24 August 2008
Businessman Harry Crosbie has reaffirmed plans to complete his 120-metre skyscraper in Dublin, despite the collapse in the property market, writes Gavin Daly.A spokesman for Crosbie said that the Watchtower development was going ahead as planned, despite speculation in the construction sector that work on the project had stalled.
‘‘There hasn’t been any change [to the project],” said the spokesman for Crosbie, who said that the building was due to be completed in the second quarter of 2010.
If the project is completed as planned, it will the first residential skyscraper in the country. In the past week, users of the architects’ website Archiseek.com speculated that work on the Watchtower had stopped at ground level because of economic uncertainty.
The 39-storey Watchtower is part of Crosbie’s €850 million Point Village development on Dublin’s north quays. The development, on 12 acres, would include a shopping centre, offices, hotel and cinema, as well as the redeveloped Point Theatre music venue, renamed the O2.
The Dublin Docklands Development Authority (DDDA) had intended that the Watchtower would form half of a ‘‘maritime gateway’’ to Dublin, standing across the Liffey from the planned U2 Tower. However, the U2-backed project has stalled, and the DDDA is still in discussions with the consortium behind it.
I’m glad this is going ahead – I’d rather like to buy one of these myself, you’ll sell at least one mr. Crosbie!
Remember the good old days of 2007 when we had 3 companies fighting each other to build it? Now they can’t interest anyone.
Of course if the DDDA had their act together, this thing could have been built years ago when the good times were here, grrrrr
