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Here’re some images from the 3XN proposal. There’re a few more diagrams and images on their website. Presume this means they didn’t make it to the later stages of the competition if its in the public realm.
Really impressive post once again Graham – a fascinating (and as an architect, thoroughly educational) read. Well done.
Just looking through all the stadia for the world cup the last couple of days and can’t help compare it to Lansdowne.
To be fair – Lansdowne is a good solution, the FAI and IRFU should be congratulated for achieving it on this historic site. The dip to Havelock square really doesn’t bother me – however, the internal experience is badly let down by the distraction posed by that bloody truss dominating your vision.
The beautiful Green Point in Cape Town is streets ahead in terms of providing a fantastic setting without the structure impeding the focus on the pitch.
these signs look great. Well done DCC. As Graham said – now we need to take a look at private signage and overall street clutter.
It has to be remembered that Croke Park was also built for a summer season of games (I know its an Irish summer – but still) – the lower tiers being exposed isn’t as much of an issue during the summer months as it has been during their use for Rugby and Soccer’s winter fixtures.
Back on topic – I certainly wouldn’t be too pleased with that view.
Yeah I think the solution achieved for the location is magnificent – Dublin’s very lucky to have two stadia in near city centre locations.
I do think however that Lansdowne Rugby club could have been accommodated elsewhere and this would have allowed for more excavation of the site and a greater capacity. 50,000 would be fine if not for the proportion of corporate seats.
Overall it’ll be a great addition to the city and another achievement to add to the list from the boom years but if (as is only rumoured at the moment) they have messed up on sightlines its a complete mess.
@foremanjoe wrote:
What happens when Ronan O’Gara (or Johnny Sexton) kicks a Garryowen in this stadium?
I can see the whole upper tier of spectators suffering whiplash trying to follow the flight of the ball.
Very disappointed with those trusses, there must have been a more discreet method of implementing them but it was probably more expensive and deemed not to be worthwhile.Yep I agree – the top picture in that interior series hints at that alright. The ball will be lost in a mess of struts.
@weehamster wrote:
The reality is that no building should have been built at all let alone set back from the original line. To block the beautiful AIB building is a total disgrace. The site should just have been made a simple mini-square. If something had to use the space then maybe allow a temporary retail setup
I know what you mean – a little plaza here, with the entrance to the castle etc could have been lovely but I always feel the loss of the buildings there really breaks down the sense of enclosure of the street, same goes for the break for the central bank. Its at these points that Dame St loses a lot of its drama and power.
Jesus. They’re shockin alright. The original scheme had its problem but this looks like they’ve just given up.
The only justification for breaking the parapet height of the street here would be if the Carlton as housing a major civic building – ie the abbey.
@Peter Fitz wrote:
Brilliant images… you feel like you’re right there (dressed as a 75 year old)
Such a vivid image, and such needless demolition… 4 lanes already … ?
Wow looking at that picture just shows what a miserable effort the “robocop” building was. No attempt made to reinstate the street line and provide city hall with a strong, dignified neighbour.
Now that its nearly finished I still like it I must say. The drum form is a nice echo of the civic drums strung along the liffey – down to the new conference centre – while not being a direct interpretation of the four courts.
The round form is an intriguing resolution of the corner – its scale seems well suited to the location.
The materials don’t strike me as too bad – that photo in the Irish times has a nice depth and solidity to it – the upper levels aren’t fantastic alright but the layering of the materials gives it a depth, scale and a changing texture which most glazed corporate buildings sorely lack.
Have to agree about the public space outside tho – while the hoardings were still up I thought there might be a lovely space created between the curving base and those great trees.
Definitely a few niggling issues but overall I think this is a pretty good addition to the city.
Some nice pics here with thanks to Michael Stamp:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michael_stamp/4089309643/in/set-72157622768404982/O god. How did they get away with that? Is the city council that busy that they just can’t cope with dealing with shockers like this?
I’d kill to get my hands on the enforcement section in that place and give it a good shake up.
@Yixian wrote:
Seriously, you honestly don’t get anything like it on American or British or Australian forums. Even boards.ie has the same thing.
Healthy irish skepticism doesn’t have to always turn into relentless cynicism. Japan hasn’t even built that stadium and already we’re bemoaning it’s superiority?
Aviva > Wembley, how about talking about that?
This is rubbish. There’s a healthy dose of criticism not cynicism on the site.
Analysis and criticism are massively important – by far the best learning tools available to us.
Over the years of the boom we became accustomed to any old shite being thrown up across our towns and cities. Someone has to demand a higher standard.
Why should we accept a watered down version of Lansdowne just because its an improvement on the original?
Like I said its a great job overall but it deserves criticism for its shortcomings and that criticism shouldn’t be discouraged.
And would people please stop trotting out this Irish moaners thing.
@pippin101 wrote:
Well the Irish sure know how to take themselves down. A fantastic, world-class stadium to anyone’s eyes – yet all anyone here can do is run it down because a few % of seats might have a roofing pole running 5 metres above your head – and for some reason this makes the entire project, the phenomenal transformation, moot.
I was at the Shelbourne races last night where there is a wonderful view of the pearl-like grounds in the distance, glittering in the sunset – and we all agreed how fabulous it looked and was a credit to the nation.
Pity none of you are able to recognise this…
Yeah yeah , the Irish are always begrudging etc etc. we’ve heard that before a million times on this site whenever somethin is criticised.
The fact is its ridiculous that with the amount of time, skill and above all money invested in this project that every seat doesn’t have a perfect view. No excuses.
Its a massive improvement and an achievement to get it built at all expecially on the same site.
Still doesn’t excuse the feck up of the structure.
@foremanjoe wrote:
I think if you compare the two renders the problem appears to be that the first version wasn’t engineered at all! :p
I think they just chickened out on engineering something amazing. It can be done. (I’m sure it was money related but still…)
Looks so inelegant now. 😡
Yeah thats the best illustration of the roof problems yet. It looks pretty poor now to be honest. Very bad mistake.
The external cladding looks good however.
I think the Landsdowne site was perfect – apart from the insistence of the rugby club to keep their training pitch beside it. Its removal would have allowed the reorientation of the stadium to the optimum and given some wriggling room with reagard the residents on Havelock sqaure.
There’s a lot of history there.
