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Dorset St (Upper)

This topic contains 76 replies, has 28 voices, and was last updated by  urbanisto 2 years, 10 months ago.

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  • #704966

    No.42
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    Does anyone know what happening on Dorset St. opposite the Big Tree. There were hoardings going up around the Bathroom showrooms this morning (big white geogianesque building slightly recessed from street) .

    I took a look at the Planning permission application & the bit I could make out [1] detailed no.68 & 69 Dorset St. to become 5 storey over basement apartments.

    There is no mention of what’s happening next door. The old showroom & it’s rear yard accounts for most of that block.

    Anyone know anything?

    [1] How are these documents supposed to be decoded by the general public?

    #715837

    dc3
    Participant

    Dont know anything about this change but perhaps Dorset Street offers the finest, most relevant, introduction to Irish architecture.

    It has everything, well everything that you could be ashamed of anyhow.

    It could be a fantastic street, almost a ceremonial entrance for travellers from the airport to the city. It even has some decent buildings in it.

    Some day the man in the anorak is going to notice it, and then we will spend billions on ticky tacky.

    #715838

    GregF
    Participant

    What a broad street….infact it’s buildings are indeed too short for it’s span and let’s say quite mediocre and grotty too bar some.

    #715839

    Drawingboard
    Participant

    There are some interesting buildings on it – the former fire station and one of two large houses that look like they predate it as a street and were built when it was a country lane. Most of it is vernacular dross however.

    #715840

    Frank Taylor
    Participant

    What could be done to improve this dreary, run-down street? It’s like a mouth full of rotten teeth with gaping holes and plenty of putrid decay. The buildings are all different heights between 1 and 5 storeys. Many of them have 60’s suburban picture windows inserted into dilapidated period buildings. And yet, it’s the main boulevard into Dublin from the northside, the equivalent of Leeson Street on the southside.

    The width of the road would easily allow 8-10 storey structures. Could it be zoned for rebuilding at this height? And would this rezoning be enough to persuade the owners to knock and rebuild?

    Rezoning costs nothing after all.

    #715841

    GrahamH
    Participant

    Yes a sorry sorry place – it hasn’t changed one iota since 1990, one of the few (but still fairly widespread) enclaves of 1980s dismal Dublin.

    Yes it is a place where a higher density ought to be achievable, but it would be crucial that open spaces and parks are provided for here. What’s partly causing the depressing nature of the place is the rows of three storey red brick 80s housing and acres of concrete and roadway. There would be a risk, especially given the history of the area, of 7-8 storey apartment blocks going up lining nothing but a bare motorway.

    There’s some fascinating remnants of Georgain Dublin about the place that offer a wonderful introduction to the character and feel of the city – always loved them coming into the city as a child, just they’re all in bits and look terrible in their current state.

    Does anyone know what’s happening with the old garage site opposite the Wax Museum? A prime candidate if ever there was one for some decent residential development. These stock brick chimeys lining the site are most unusual – anyone know anything about them?

    And these new walls outside the flats on Dorset St (I know, how incredibly two-faced and snobby to call Docklands dev apartments and these ‘the flats’, but if you described these as such you’d be laughed out of it :o) – the blue bricks and curves are pretty cool.

    #715842

    GregF
    Participant

    I see at long last that the much neglected Dorset Street is being repaved in parts with an island being placed in the middle of the road. A much needed improvement.

    #715843

    Anonymous
    Participant

    yeah some lovely fastigiate oaks going in there, gives the street some much needed structure.
    Not normally in favour of island tree planting dividing a street but seems like a good move in this case …

    #715844

    hutton
    Participant

    @Dublin City Council wrote:

    Dorset Street and Canal Area Plan

    Urban and Village Renewal Programme (http://www.eustructuralfunds.ie)
    The Plan was approved in 2001 as one of two areas in Dublin to benefit from funding under the above DOE/EU programme. The aim of the measure is to provide financial support for a range of interventions to upgrade cities, to make them more attractive places in which to live and work, encourage social and economic development of tourism and tourist related activities

    The Dorset Street/Canal Area Plan focuses on a substantial area of the North Inner City. The area encompasses the spine of Dorset Street, The Royal Canal. Despite its strategic location in relation to the city centre, and the strength of some of its components, the area has suffered from an image of decay and low investment.

    In May 2002, the Taoiseach, Mr. Bertie Ahern unveiled a major rejuvenation plan for the Dorset Street area. Initially the plan was to concentrate on improving the Dorset Street corridor from Drumcondra to Capel Street plus the nearby Royal Canal. This would also provide for improvements to the nearby areas of Mountjoy Square, Summerhill, Ballybough, Hardwick Street, and Dominick Street etc. This plan was prepared to tackle the challenges posed for the area, and to compliment a number of existing improvements.

    After a period of consultation with the local community and businesses in the area, the following key aspects of the plan were identified. Improving the quality of paving, lighting, street furniture and planting, Furthermore to maintain and restore the water body of the Royal Canal, to establish opportunities for infill development and improved streetscape, to provide new/improved play facilities, and to introduce CCTV systems.

    To date the following have been achieved in addressing these priorities:

    · The refurbishment of No.15 Henrietta Street to house Na Piobairi Uillean Interpretive and Heritage Centre.
    · The installation of a high quality children’s playground in Mountjoy Square Park.
    · The complete resurfacing of the carriageway on Dorset Street.
    · The opening of a Dublin City Council Area Office on Dorset Street to cater for the provision of services for local residents.
    · A precinct improvement programme at Sheridan Court, including the installation of security railings, hard and soft landscaping, lighting and repaving.
    · The refurbishment of the tow-paths along the canal from Summerhill Parade to Jones Road and from Cross Guns Bridge to Binns Bridge, including the installation of new lighting and CCTV cameras, the resurfacing of the tow-paths and the erection of a statue to Brendan Behan.
    · The completion of the section from Whithworth Road to St. Alphonsas Road. A tree-lined central median has been installed on the East and West side.

    By the end of November we will see the completion of the section from Binns Bridge to Eccles Place. The final section of the canal from Jones Road to Binns Bridge is also due for completion along with the installation of a new pocket park, including a children’s playground, for Portland Place.
    (Taken from: http://www.dublincity.ie/living_in_the_city/your_area/central/central_area_projects/dorset_street_and_canal_area_plan.asp )

    “major rejuvenation” my arse – we are 5 years on and the only noticeable changes are:

    – Dorset St is now a central axis in DCCs Inner Orbital Route
    – A few trees being planted in the central median, a couple of months before the election. There are no plans to extend this as far as Capel St/ Bolton St junction, which would have struck me as the logical starting/ finishing point.
    – The little bit of landscaping outside the flats as photod by Graham, which I also like. Ftr this scheme was designed by Mitchell and Assocs.

    Whats really needed here is a strategic assessment – not the (albeit well-meaning) superficial treatment that is then described as a “major rejuvenation”.

    A couple of points that I have noted about the street:

    1 On the City Development Plan maps, it is marked down as “Dorset St Corridor“: this speaks volumes about how it is viewed and so then how it is treated. It is somewhere to drive thru as opposed to being of merit in itself – something which I believe is having a devestatingly crippling effect on the adjacent areas in that this spinal street divides as opposed to uniting this area.

    2 Road markings, parking arrangements, and footpaths have not been altered since the 1980s – despite it being on the Inner Orbital Route; hence at various places 2 lanes merge into 1, while at other spots parking may or may not be allowed according to the time of day. There is no sense of permanency or structure in these arrangements; the st serves a purpose to the wider community in terms of thru-traffic, but this should be managed in a way that does not deprive the street of functioning within its own terms.

    3 It is a hostile environment for the pedestrian and non-car users; footpaths should be dramatically widened – especially in the context of the above, where there are currently just useless half-lanes. Traffic refuges and islands – not a dualer / parnell st style median please – should be inserted at strategic locations such as the junctions with Blessington St, Eccles St etc.

    4 An environmental and architectural audit desperately needs to be carried out. Certain buildings have charm or architectural interest but are lost in the current context; this includes blind arcaded windows in 18 c terraced buildings, the disgracefully run-down home of Richard Brinsley Sheridan, the fire station, and the terrace of what should be grade A georgians at the corner with Blessington St – which are unfortunately covered in gray render. Any regeneration worth its salt would target these as a landmark project for repointing etc.
    Another significant problem is the lack of engagement by many properties with the st; one could make an exception for the gothic revival corner of Dominick St Lwr, but there are many others for which there is no excuse – such as the flats on the corner of Dominick St Upr which are perpendicular to the st… And then theres the massive site formerly occupied by a garage opposite the former wax museum (Mongeys, I think); I have checked in woodquay and could find no record of an application on this site – if this is simply site-hoarding, then it is completely unacceptable and should be CPO’ed under 212 of the 2000 act. It is a priority that this be redeveloped to a high spec

    But aside from all of this, the relationship of usage is very important; what cultural institutions can you think of on the st that you would ever go to? Perhaps in relocating the central library maybe DCC should look at the venitian fire station. Before density is looked at, I suggest usage should be targeted – and only then should it be looked at upping the density in an overall conext, imo. Time for a “Dorset St District” as opposed to “Corridor”? ;)

    #715845

    notjim
    Participant

    well to be fair we have beautifull new pavements and new trees are being added to the meridian this week

    #715846

    AndrewP
    Participant

    In fairness, the tree planting and footpath upgrade is pretty extensive and has gone quite quickly, compared to O’Connell Street. Some of the one-storeys north of the Big Tree, on the opposite side, have been demolished and five storey buildings are going up in their place. They are pretty higgledy-piggledy looking though and presenting ugly gable walls as you come in from the airport.

    #715847

    GrahamH
    Participant

    Yes I’ve been watching these going up with interest – rather odd looking development.

    Not sure what to make of the trees either. Certainly at night they add greatly to the area, to what is an otherwise dingy, soulless and featureless, sodium-lit urbanscape. Though in all honesty it’s more the injection of crisp white light into the area that is so refreshing – it makes the world of difference. Hopefully when all the new lampposts are installed the area will be transformed after dark.
    Otherwise I hope the trees don’t end up splitting the street in two – must take a walk along soon and get a feel for them. As the Corridor suggests, like everyone else I’m rarely out of the car on that route :(

    Good points made hutton regarding properties. At the end of the day it’s only public domain works that have taken place, and very very recently at that. Negligible improvement has happened on the property front. Most of it is still an 80s timewarp.
    I see the ghastly red ‘Golf Corner’ Georgian has had that notorious billboard removed recently, revealing a giant panel of stock brick :)
    The building is currently up for letting, so hopefully…

    #715848

    ConK
    Participant

    Here is a map of the Dorset St/NCR from 1813 hand drawn by the Wide Street s Commision, I was hoping that a big tree would feature somewhere on the map.

    #715849

    hutton
    Participant

    @ConK wrote:

    Here is a map of the Dorset St/NCR from 1813 hand drawn by the Wide Street s Commision, I was hoping that a big tree would feature somewhere on the map.

    Nice one :)

    Do you have any more of those for this area, ie Mountjoy Square, Blessington St & Basin?

    One little thing that interests me, being a renowned symantic, is that “Belvedere” is spelt that way – as opposed to the “Belevidere” with an “i” that it has since been corrupted to in ref to this st.

    #715850

    ConK
    Participant

    I don’t have any more of them. But they do exist. You can get to see them in the library on Pearse Street. It is very interesting. I wanted to see that one because I live in the field up from the big tree.

    On one of the other maps from 1810, which you can get in the RIA on Kildare St, has a Belvidere House in north county dublin. With that spelling.

    The Avenue in Dublin 1 has the two spellings on it, each with it’s own sign, facing each other on opposite sides of the street !!

    #715851

    hutton
    Participant

    @ConK wrote:

    I don’t have any more of them. But they do exist. You can get to see them in the library on Pearse Street. It is very interesting. I wanted to see that one because I live in the field up from the big tree.

    On one of the other maps from 1810, which you can get in the RIA on Kildare St, has a Belvidere House in north county dublin. With that spelling.

    The Avenue in Dublin 1 has the two spellings on it, each with it’s own sign, facing each other on opposite sides of the street !!

    Hi ConK, I was hoping to pm you regarding Dorset St & its environs, but I do not seem to be able to; by any chance could you pm me with your email address?

    Many thanks

    H

    #715852

    notjim
    Participant

    @GrahamH wrote:

    I see the ghastly red ‘Golf Corner’ Georgian has had that notorious billboard removed recently, revealing a giant panel of stock brick :)
    The building is currently up for letting, so hopefully…

    As if conjured up by your post, the pink georgian was scaffolded yesterday, a couple of months ago there was some small test poultices applied, so hopefully . . .

    #715853

    jimg
    Participant

    Maybe it was the crisp winter light this morning but I thought the new median and trees look really good on Dorset St. Once the footpaths are redone – hopefully salvaging the old kerbstones – I think the street will have improved greatly. The median breaks the out-of-scale width of the street (in proportion with much of building stock). The aspects which make the street ugly may actually end up make it very attractive – a lack of historic coherence and the mismatch of scales and usage. Hopefully the improvements in the public fittings will be reflected by similar improvements in the private stock, a process that seems to have started already.

    #715854

    phil
    Participant

    I agree Jimg. I was admiring it last night. It is a nicely done job. I also agree that the ‘mismatch of scales and usage’ is something positive about it as a street.

    #715855

    ConK
    Participant

    Dorset Streets most famous son has a play in the Abbey at the moment.
    Richard Brinsley Sheridan. Born in 12 Dorset Street. Died 1816.

    It is a long time since an MP or TD was born on Dorset Street.

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