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    Daragh
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    Now that the final stage of the O’Connell Street redevelopment plan is about to proceed, does anyone think that Dublin City Council should start work on redeveloping, or at least improving, our main street south of the Liffey?
    For what is supposed to be Dublin’s best and most fashionable street, Grafton Street has become increasingly run down, dirty, and not to mention smelly over the past few years! The entire street is also in dire need of being properly repaved. However, what the Council has continually decided to do is simply throw down a few new red bricks every time a new section of the street is in need of work. The result is that the street paving now has at least 20 different shades of red brick! Not very pleasing to the eye indeed. And as for the smell which comes from those bins….!
    Also, I read with interest in the Irish Times a few days ago that the Council, along with local retailers, are becoming increasingly concerned about the quality of retailers on the street. These concerns would appear to be well founded when one considers that yet ANOTHER convenience store opened up on the street several days ago.
    I really fear that the same problems which befell O’Connell in relation to its lack of high-quality retailers are going to befall Grafton Street as well. And while the Council has said that it may look at ways in which it could regulate the types of retailer that can open up on the street, it also says that it doesn’t want to interfere with the free market either. However, if Grafton Street is to be saved, and prevented from turning into a tacky street full of Centra shops and fast-food outlets (i.e. another O’Connell Street) then action will need to be taken. The Council’s blasé attitude to the increasingly tacky types of shop which are opening up all over the city centre is all the more surprising when one considers the intense competition which the city centre is now under from out-of-town shopping centres, such as those in Dundrum and Liffey Valley etc.

    #784740

    Anonymous

    i completely agree, grafton street is in dire need of renovation and quailty retailers, especially if it is to justify such high rent. if it really is “the fifth most expensive shopping street in the world” as rte/tv3 claimed months back, then it is greatly lacking in class compared to the other four

    #784741

    Anonymous

    i agree, Grafton street has had better days,
    Now its Under threat from the likes of Dundrum shopping centre and competition from northe side streets eg As Henry street which is really coming close in ranks to Grafton street for shoppers and crowds.
    i heard that Grafton street takes something like 12,500 pedstrains per day , which is huge figure, but it has remain static throughout the , considering the consumer spending and population explosion of the city!
    While Henry street is thriving and it pedstrian figures is about 11,500 and increassing , due to a number of international retailers such as Zara and more comming and since the Ilac centre is been redevloped H&M will be moving there next year too. so its bad news for Grafton street!

    A lot of existing and well estblished businesses on Grafton street are moving elsewhere to the likes of wicklow st and suffolk street, due to the outrages rents

    by the way the pavents could do with a facelift!

    #784742

    admin
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    @ihateawake wrote:

    “the fifth most expensive shopping street in the world”

    I’m not so sure that this actually the case in that the rents quoted for Grafton St represent a rate per square metre that only treats the first 6 metres back from the front at the rent before falling to 50% for the next 6 metres back and so on. I think that in many of the Cities quoted the rent taken has no such discounting on the basis of proximity to the frontage and simply reflects an overall rate per metre.

    #784743

    Anonymous

    Might as well chuck in another ‘I agree’ πŸ™‚

    Yes Grafton St needs a Special Planning Control Scheme as the CC are suggesting, as well as Architectural Conservation Area status given the diverse range of architectural styles and building types on the street, and the thoroughfare’s importance in the city centre.

    Agreed about the paving, it is in a terrible condition at this stage. There is as Daragh says a crazy paving effect being generated now with the amount of patched up areas. The street is constantly under repair – don’t think I’ve walked down it in two years without cones and tape erected somewhere. And even then these works simply don’t have the phyiscal ability necessary to cover all areas: there’s always loose bricks or white tiles somewhere.

    For some strange reason though, I think the ‘heritage’ look works very well on Grafton St – it just suits it.
    I’d hate to see it get the cold Barcelonisation treatment – rather the traditional feel by and large should be maintained with the street furniture, though perhaps given a simpler more streamlined look, and crucially a warm paving scheme kept.
    The rust coloured granite that’s used on Henry St as a mere accent to the dominant grey could be used as the main stone on Grafton St for example – maybe with basalt as the accent.

    I think the warm colour of Grafton St’s paving is what makes the street stand out in the city and should be kept.

    #784744

    Anonymous

    http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/1027/cities.html

    just quoting what i heard from infallible RTE :rolleyes:
    but even so, both rates(front and rear) were most likely taken into account, anything but an average would surely not be considered accurate.

    #784745

    Anonymous

    It is amazing how all these convenience stores can afford such high rents. In fact Fifth Avenue NY must be awash with Centras and Spars!

    #784746

    Anonymous

    Dick Gleeson Chief Planner in DCC, Frank McDonald and Senator David Norris were on the radio this morning discussing (and one reminiscing ;)) the proposed ACA and Special Planning Control Scheme for Grafton Street. You can hear it below. First item on the programme, it starts just after 4.24:

    http://www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/rte-todaywithpatkenny.smil

    Seemingly there’s a big landbank to be exploited behind the old Habitat.

    #784747

    Anonymous

    At first there I thought you were going to make us listen to Ryan Tubridy.:eek:

    #784748

    Anonymous

    Haha, that old English gent in hilarious.

    “I’m an old FART, but I’m not a roaring snob!”

    “Up Grafton St., the pooong of cheap sent, music blaring, street blocked by rock artists, ghastly!”

    #784749

    Anonymous

    You’ve never heard of David Norris? – shame on you!
    Over Christmas he was on the telly reenacting a war of words he had with a scanger on O’Connell Street over throwing her burger wrapper on the ground – God I never laughed so much in all my life. If only to hear it again…

    I managed to convince Mr Kenny on the radio the other morning to hop on his bike and get up to Dundalk to marvel at its (if somewhat embellished :D) architectural wonders. Better get the good china out.

    Can be heard here a few seconds after 1:13.45:

    http://www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/Wed/rte-todaywithpatkenny.smil

    Was going to slip in a plug for Archiseek, but he wouldn’t have read it out then! Maybe next time…

    #784750

    Anonymous

    lol lol

    “Hanging bastkets, PVC windows, a virtual treasure trove,”

    Great πŸ˜€ The way Pat reads it too, so poetically!

    “I’ve driven through Dundalk many time.. and.. well.. I’ve managed to miss all that!” πŸ˜€

    #784751

    Anonymous

    That last part made me laugh too πŸ˜€
    Think ‘drive through’ explains it all somehow though…

    Yes, it’s easy to work to his style when mailing him – he does like his hyphens πŸ™‚

    #784752

    Anonymous

    @graham Hickey wrote:

    Dick Gleeson Chief Planner in DCC, Frank McDonald and Senator David Norris were on the radio this morning discussing (and one reminiscing ]www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/rte-todaywithpatkenny.smil[/url]

    Seemingly there’s a big landbank to be exploited behind the old Habitat.

    Hugh O’Regan, formerly of Thomas Read Group, is buying up properties there. Below is an extract of what I wrote in Dec in The Sunday Business Post. It outlines main redevelopment plans for the area at present, although I’ve since written about Shelbourne’s plan to turn the Royal & Sun Alliance building into a dept store.

    By Neil Callanan
    The Grafton Street Arcade is finally expected to be redeveloped into a department store style format next year.
    Property sources said the arcade, which is owned by Marks & Spencer, has already been quietly put up for sale and about half a dozen potential tenants are interested in buying it.
    Rent is likely to equal, if not better, the previous Zone A record for the street, which was set when River Island agreed to pay e13,750 per square metre a year for its shop on the street.
    Since the River Island deal the mix of shops on the street is generally regarded as having worsened, partly because Dublin City Council failed to introduce restrictions on the number of mobile phone shops opening on the street.
    The strong demand for large shops on the street was further underlined when Treasury Holdings offered to pay e6 million to the Campbell Bewley Group to buy back the lease to Bewley’s on Grafton Street, which the group had decided to close.
    The offer emerged during a court case taken by Treasury, which was concerned about internal works under way at the restaurant.
    several sources said that if Treasury’s bid had been successful, the shop would almost certainly have been relet to Spanish retailer Zara, which is anxious to open a shop on the street.
    Conscious of the lack of suitable store formats on Grafton Street, the council is actively encouraging the creation of larger store formats in the area and favours expanding the retail centre to the west of the street towards South Great George’s Street.
    This would link Dublin’s main retail centres — Henry Street and Grafton Street — via Temple Bar and South Great George’s Street.
    The council’s new focus will be helped when property developer Joe O’Reilly builds his shopping complex on South King Street on the site of the former Eircom offices next to the Gaiety Theatre.
    The demolition of the building is scheduled to start in January. However, O’Reilly would have had the chance to enlarge the 7,400 square metre centre, if he had not been outbid by fellow property developer Bernard McNamara for a row of shops on Chatham Street at the back of the building.
    McNamara bought the shops as part of a portfolio of investments earlier this year. O’Reilly’s scheme will open in the autumn of 2007.
    The next major redevelopment project in the area, according to retail sources, is likely to be the College of Music, which is also on Chatham Street. It is expected to be sold next year.
    On the Dawson Street side of Grafton Street, there is also likely to be major changes. The Royal & Sun Alliance building and the Hibernian Arcade are prime redevelopment opportunities.
    Publican Hugh O’Regan has been purchasing a number of buildings in the area. He bought the former Hibernian United Services Club on St Stephen’s Green and last year he acquired an office building behind the club for e10 million.
    He has since leased this building to Dermot Desmond’s casino, The Sporting Emporium.
    O’Regan is also believed to have been the underbidder for the former Habitat store on St Stephen’s Green, which adjoins the former Hibernian club. It has since reopened as Topshop after a e3 million premium was paid for the leasehold interest on the building.

    #784753

    Anonymous

    Well it’s about time soon. At least the Council appears to have learnt from its mistakes and is trying to avoid Grafton Street becoming another O’Connell Street. Nevertheless, I can’t help but feel this decision is still coming a few years too late. Does anyone know if its possible for the Council to terminate any of the existing leases on the street? I heard a rumour that this was what the Council was going to try to do to the fast food outlets on O’Connell Street..

    #784754

    Anonymous

    It is possible under the SPCS of O’Connell Street (as with all SPCSs one would assume) in the form of forced change of use rather than termination of lease as far as I know – presumably sub-letting would come into play in such a case. It seems its a tactic they are reluctant to use.
    I wouldn’t say it is too late to change things but agreed that Grafton Street has been allowed get out of hand for far too long. As usual response-led tactics are the order of the day…

    What I’d like to know about Grafton Street is why is it such a busy thoroughfare? It’s not particularly near the central business district of Baggot St/Merrion Square, nor are stores that populate its length any more appealing than elsewhere in the city. Are people just naturally drawn to the place as a popular route though the city, or is it the fact that it’s a pedestrianised street that makes it seem more busy to the average eye than it really is? (though obviously statistically it is).

    I can never understand why the place is so busy, nor why people would want to avail of the majority of its shops: they’re busier then elsewhere, probably more expensive, and nothing particularly special. It seems that it just happens to be sited on a natural nodal point of sorts in the city, where pedestrian activity overlaps and intensifies. Or is it a combination of the various factorsmentioned above?
    I don’t know – other than I tend to avoid the place like the Plague; can rarely see the appeal of it at all.

    #784755

    Anonymous

    @graham Hickey wrote:

    I can never understand why the place is so busy, nor why people would want to avail of the majority of its shops: .

    I can’t remember the last time I bought anything from Grafton Street, apart from the odd bag of Tayto in the newsagents. I do make a point of walking up the street though when I’m in town. I like the vibe of the place and all those other little streets to the west of Grafton St.

    I’d love to see Clarendon and South William Street predestrianised. You’d have to remove the carparks there, I’m not sure how easy that would be. The two streets are unperforming and a bit rundown but there’s still a great vibe in the place.

    #784756

    admin
    Keymaster

    Experts say special Grafton Street planning restrictions won’t work
    Archiseek / Ireland / News / 2006 / February 7
    The Irish Times

    Special planning restrictions aimed at reversing the spread of mobile phone shops and convenience stores along Grafton Street are likely to backfire, according to a number of landlords and property experts. Two weeks ago Dublin City Council (DCC) proposed transforming the capital’s main shopping thoroughfare into an architectural conservation area (ACA) following mounting concerns over the street’s deteriorating character. The new planning designation will give the local authority strict control over what types of businesses can trade from the street and it’s expected that mobile phone shops, convenience stores and pharmacies will be among those retailers that are in future either limited or excluded from the prime shopping thoroughfare.

    Could someone please post the full article I am interested to see which particular genius is of that opinion.

    #784757

    Anonymous

    Presumably being a landlord on that street makes one an expert!

    #784758

    admin
    Keymaster

    Agreed πŸ˜‰

    But it is equally relevant to acknowledge that Dublin City Council are equally a landlord in that they depend heavily on Commercial rates to keep the City maintained.

    Grafton Street is arguably the premier Mall in what is the Nations biggest Shopping Centre; vital to the success of any thriving shopping centre is a vibrant and diverse tenant mix. I would be very interested to see ‘the experts’ that deny that a diverse tenant mix in terms of use is in the Streets best interest.

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    Daragh
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    Now that the final stage of the O’Connell Street redevelopment plan is about to proceed, does anyone think that Dublin City Council should start work on redeveloping, or at least improving, our main street south of the Liffey?
    For what is supposed to be Dublin’s best and most fashionable street, Grafton Street has become increasingly run down, dirty, and not to mention smelly over the past few years! The entire street is also in dire need of being properly repaved. However, what the Council has continually decided to do is simply throw down a few new red bricks every time a new section of the street is in need of work. The result is that the street paving now has at least 20 different shades of red brick! Not very pleasing to the eye indeed. And as for the smell which comes from those bins….!
    Also, I read with interest in the Irish Times a few days ago that the Council, along with local retailers, are becoming increasingly concerned about the quality of retailers on the street. These concerns would appear to be well founded when one considers that yet ANOTHER convenience store opened up on the street several days ago.
    I really fear that the same problems which befell O’Connell in relation to its lack of high-quality retailers are going to befall Grafton Street as well. And while the Council has said that it may look at ways in which it could regulate the types of retailer that can open up on the street, it also says that it doesn’t want to interfere with the free market either. However, if Grafton Street is to be saved, and prevented from turning into a tacky street full of Centra shops and fast-food outlets (i.e. another O’Connell Street) then action will need to be taken. The Council’s blasé attitude to the increasingly tacky types of shop which are opening up all over the city centre is all the more surprising when one considers the intense competition which the city centre is now under from out-of-town shopping centres, such as those in Dundrum and Liffey Valley etc.

    #784740

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    i completely agree, grafton street is in dire need of renovation and quailty retailers, especially if it is to justify such high rent. if it really is “the fifth most expensive shopping street in the world” as rte/tv3 claimed months back, then it is greatly lacking in class compared to the other four

    #784741

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    i agree, Grafton street has had better days,
    Now its Under threat from the likes of Dundrum shopping centre and competition from northe side streets eg As Henry street which is really coming close in ranks to Grafton street for shoppers and crowds.
    i heard that Grafton street takes something like 12,500 pedstrains per day , which is huge figure, but it has remain static throughout the , considering the consumer spending and population explosion of the city!
    While Henry street is thriving and it pedstrian figures is about 11,500 and increassing , due to a number of international retailers such as Zara and more comming and since the Ilac centre is been redevloped H&M will be moving there next year too. so its bad news for Grafton street!

    A lot of existing and well estblished businesses on Grafton street are moving elsewhere to the likes of wicklow st and suffolk street, due to the outrages rents

    by the way the pavents could do with a facelift!

    #784742

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    @ihateawake wrote:

    “the fifth most expensive shopping street in the world”

    I’m not so sure that this actually the case in that the rents quoted for Grafton St represent a rate per square metre that only treats the first 6 metres back from the front at the rent before falling to 50% for the next 6 metres back and so on. I think that in many of the Cities quoted the rent taken has no such discounting on the basis of proximity to the frontage and simply reflects an overall rate per metre.

    #784743

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    Might as well chuck in another ‘I agree’ πŸ™‚

    Yes Grafton St needs a Special Planning Control Scheme as the CC are suggesting, as well as Architectural Conservation Area status given the diverse range of architectural styles and building types on the street, and the thoroughfare’s importance in the city centre.

    Agreed about the paving, it is in a terrible condition at this stage. There is as Daragh says a crazy paving effect being generated now with the amount of patched up areas. The street is constantly under repair – don’t think I’ve walked down it in two years without cones and tape erected somewhere. And even then these works simply don’t have the phyiscal ability necessary to cover all areas: there’s always loose bricks or white tiles somewhere.

    For some strange reason though, I think the ‘heritage’ look works very well on Grafton St – it just suits it.
    I’d hate to see it get the cold Barcelonisation treatment – rather the traditional feel by and large should be maintained with the street furniture, though perhaps given a simpler more streamlined look, and crucially a warm paving scheme kept.
    The rust coloured granite that’s used on Henry St as a mere accent to the dominant grey could be used as the main stone on Grafton St for example – maybe with basalt as the accent.

    I think the warm colour of Grafton St’s paving is what makes the street stand out in the city and should be kept.

    #784744

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    http://www.rte.ie/business/2004/1027/cities.html

    just quoting what i heard from infallible RTE :rolleyes:
    but even so, both rates(front and rear) were most likely taken into account, anything but an average would surely not be considered accurate.

    #784745

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    It is amazing how all these convenience stores can afford such high rents. In fact Fifth Avenue NY must be awash with Centras and Spars!

    #784746

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    Dick Gleeson Chief Planner in DCC, Frank McDonald and Senator David Norris were on the radio this morning discussing (and one reminiscing ;)) the proposed ACA and Special Planning Control Scheme for Grafton Street. You can hear it below. First item on the programme, it starts just after 4.24:

    http://www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/rte-todaywithpatkenny.smil

    Seemingly there’s a big landbank to be exploited behind the old Habitat.

    #784747

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    At first there I thought you were going to make us listen to Ryan Tubridy.:eek:

    #784748

    Anonymous
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    Haha, that old English gent in hilarious.

    “I’m an old FART, but I’m not a roaring snob!”

    “Up Grafton St., the pooong of cheap sent, music blaring, street blocked by rock artists, ghastly!”

    #784749

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    You’ve never heard of David Norris? – shame on you!
    Over Christmas he was on the telly reenacting a war of words he had with a scanger on O’Connell Street over throwing her burger wrapper on the ground – God I never laughed so much in all my life. If only to hear it again…

    I managed to convince Mr Kenny on the radio the other morning to hop on his bike and get up to Dundalk to marvel at its (if somewhat embellished :D) architectural wonders. Better get the good china out.

    Can be heard here a few seconds after 1:13.45:

    http://www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/Wed/rte-todaywithpatkenny.smil

    Was going to slip in a plug for Archiseek, but he wouldn’t have read it out then! Maybe next time…

    #784750

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    lol lol

    “Hanging bastkets, PVC windows, a virtual treasure trove,”

    Great πŸ˜€ The way Pat reads it too, so poetically!

    “I’ve driven through Dundalk many time.. and.. well.. I’ve managed to miss all that!” πŸ˜€

    #784751

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    That last part made me laugh too πŸ˜€
    Think ‘drive through’ explains it all somehow though…

    Yes, it’s easy to work to his style when mailing him – he does like his hyphens πŸ™‚

    #784752

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    @graham Hickey wrote:

    Dick Gleeson Chief Planner in DCC, Frank McDonald and Senator David Norris were on the radio this morning discussing (and one reminiscing ]www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/rte-todaywithpatkenny.smil[/url]

    Seemingly there’s a big landbank to be exploited behind the old Habitat.

    Hugh O’Regan, formerly of Thomas Read Group, is buying up properties there. Below is an extract of what I wrote in Dec in The Sunday Business Post. It outlines main redevelopment plans for the area at present, although I’ve since written about Shelbourne’s plan to turn the Royal & Sun Alliance building into a dept store.

    By Neil Callanan
    The Grafton Street Arcade is finally expected to be redeveloped into a department store style format next year.
    Property sources said the arcade, which is owned by Marks & Spencer, has already been quietly put up for sale and about half a dozen potential tenants are interested in buying it.
    Rent is likely to equal, if not better, the previous Zone A record for the street, which was set when River Island agreed to pay e13,750 per square metre a year for its shop on the street.
    Since the River Island deal the mix of shops on the street is generally regarded as having worsened, partly because Dublin City Council failed to introduce restrictions on the number of mobile phone shops opening on the street.
    The strong demand for large shops on the street was further underlined when Treasury Holdings offered to pay e6 million to the Campbell Bewley Group to buy back the lease to Bewley’s on Grafton Street, which the group had decided to close.
    The offer emerged during a court case taken by Treasury, which was concerned about internal works under way at the restaurant.
    several sources said that if Treasury’s bid had been successful, the shop would almost certainly have been relet to Spanish retailer Zara, which is anxious to open a shop on the street.
    Conscious of the lack of suitable store formats on Grafton Street, the council is actively encouraging the creation of larger store formats in the area and favours expanding the retail centre to the west of the street towards South Great George’s Street.
    This would link Dublin’s main retail centres — Henry Street and Grafton Street — via Temple Bar and South Great George’s Street.
    The council’s new focus will be helped when property developer Joe O’Reilly builds his shopping complex on South King Street on the site of the former Eircom offices next to the Gaiety Theatre.
    The demolition of the building is scheduled to start in January. However, O’Reilly would have had the chance to enlarge the 7,400 square metre centre, if he had not been outbid by fellow property developer Bernard McNamara for a row of shops on Chatham Street at the back of the building.
    McNamara bought the shops as part of a portfolio of investments earlier this year. O’Reilly’s scheme will open in the autumn of 2007.
    The next major redevelopment project in the area, according to retail sources, is likely to be the College of Music, which is also on Chatham Street. It is expected to be sold next year.
    On the Dawson Street side of Grafton Street, there is also likely to be major changes. The Royal & Sun Alliance building and the Hibernian Arcade are prime redevelopment opportunities.
    Publican Hugh O’Regan has been purchasing a number of buildings in the area. He bought the former Hibernian United Services Club on St Stephen’s Green and last year he acquired an office building behind the club for e10 million.
    He has since leased this building to Dermot Desmond’s casino, The Sporting Emporium.
    O’Regan is also believed to have been the underbidder for the former Habitat store on St Stephen’s Green, which adjoins the former Hibernian club. It has since reopened as Topshop after a e3 million premium was paid for the leasehold interest on the building.

    #784753

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    Well it’s about time soon. At least the Council appears to have learnt from its mistakes and is trying to avoid Grafton Street becoming another O’Connell Street. Nevertheless, I can’t help but feel this decision is still coming a few years too late. Does anyone know if its possible for the Council to terminate any of the existing leases on the street? I heard a rumour that this was what the Council was going to try to do to the fast food outlets on O’Connell Street..

    #784754

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    It is possible under the SPCS of O’Connell Street (as with all SPCSs one would assume) in the form of forced change of use rather than termination of lease as far as I know – presumably sub-letting would come into play in such a case. It seems its a tactic they are reluctant to use.
    I wouldn’t say it is too late to change things but agreed that Grafton Street has been allowed get out of hand for far too long. As usual response-led tactics are the order of the day…

    What I’d like to know about Grafton Street is why is it such a busy thoroughfare? It’s not particularly near the central business district of Baggot St/Merrion Square, nor are stores that populate its length any more appealing than elsewhere in the city. Are people just naturally drawn to the place as a popular route though the city, or is it the fact that it’s a pedestrianised street that makes it seem more busy to the average eye than it really is? (though obviously statistically it is).

    I can never understand why the place is so busy, nor why people would want to avail of the majority of its shops: they’re busier then elsewhere, probably more expensive, and nothing particularly special. It seems that it just happens to be sited on a natural nodal point of sorts in the city, where pedestrian activity overlaps and intensifies. Or is it a combination of the various factorsmentioned above?
    I don’t know – other than I tend to avoid the place like the Plague; can rarely see the appeal of it at all.

    #784755

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    @graham Hickey wrote:

    I can never understand why the place is so busy, nor why people would want to avail of the majority of its shops: .

    I can’t remember the last time I bought anything from Grafton Street, apart from the odd bag of Tayto in the newsagents. I do make a point of walking up the street though when I’m in town. I like the vibe of the place and all those other little streets to the west of Grafton St.

    I’d love to see Clarendon and South William Street predestrianised. You’d have to remove the carparks there, I’m not sure how easy that would be. The two streets are unperforming and a bit rundown but there’s still a great vibe in the place.

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    Experts say special Grafton Street planning restrictions won’t work
    Archiseek / Ireland / News / 2006 / February 7
    The Irish Times

    Special planning restrictions aimed at reversing the spread of mobile phone shops and convenience stores along Grafton Street are likely to backfire, according to a number of landlords and property experts. Two weeks ago Dublin City Council (DCC) proposed transforming the capital’s main shopping thoroughfare into an architectural conservation area (ACA) following mounting concerns over the street’s deteriorating character. The new planning designation will give the local authority strict control over what types of businesses can trade from the street and it’s expected that mobile phone shops, convenience stores and pharmacies will be among those retailers that are in future either limited or excluded from the prime shopping thoroughfare.

    Could someone please post the full article I am interested to see which particular genius is of that opinion.

    #784757

    Anonymous
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    Presumably being a landlord on that street makes one an expert!

    #784758

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    Agreed πŸ˜‰

    But it is equally relevant to acknowledge that Dublin City Council are equally a landlord in that they depend heavily on Commercial rates to keep the City maintained.

    Grafton Street is arguably the premier Mall in what is the Nations biggest Shopping Centre; vital to the success of any thriving shopping centre is a vibrant and diverse tenant mix. I would be very interested to see ‘the experts’ that deny that a diverse tenant mix in terms of use is in the Streets best interest.

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