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  • #785073

    Anonymous

    It t’is of course the minutiae of city life and wearnicehats will no doubt be appalled. Nevertheless you asked about the benches in Merrion Square. And from what I can see they are stained and varnished.

    Before

    And after…they look great

    #785074

    Anonymous

    StephenC, thanks for having a look. Great to see the old benches getting a new lease of life. We are going to go for an untreated timber with an oil. Leaving them oiled means they can be sanded back quite easily and re oiled when they get a bit scruffy. Oil also keeps the timber looking natural

    The Brits have a document for everything. Found this when I was doing a bit of research:

    http://www.royalparks.org.uk/__documents/the-royal-parks/publications/other-publications,-reports-and-strategies/landscape-design-guide.pdf

    #785075

    Anonymous

    Whatever about the concerns expressed about the details of the new scheme for Grafton Street, one can’t deny that the work is progressing speedily and with a minimum of disruption. In fact the contractors are powering through the project and one could imagine the street being completed by the end of the summer. The team are currently finishing pavement outside Brown Thomas.

    The street is seeing a great deal of activity: the new Massimo Dutti store has transformed the former HMV premises on the street, a NAMA-funded development is taking place at the southern end and a number of sites have popped up on Duke Street and South Anne Street.

    It would appear that the street is at the start of a period of improvement – sorely needed. My one concern is that a rather bland approach to shopfronts has developed. A lot of plate glass and stone facing and colour is sorely missing – everything is cream and white.

    Once upon a fantasy time, we were talking of this street as one of the prime retail pitches in the world (that hubris beggars belief now). What is happening is that retail has condensed down to the two main cores in the city centre and the major multiples are finally starting to spend a little on new stores and new looks in a bid to attract custom back from the suburbs. It could only have gotten better for Grafton Street.

    Dublin City Council have finally responded to the dismal condition of the public realm in the area, which hardly matches the hive of smart boutiques and eateries clamouring over each other in the area from Grafton Street to South Great Georges Street, by developing a Public Realm Strategy for the Grafton Street Quarter.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/YourCouncil/LocalAreaServices/SouthEastArea/GSQ/GraftonStreetQuarter/Documents/GSQPublicRealmPlanDraft.pdf

    The current condition of Duke Street and South Anne Street in particular is disgraceful.

    The draft was on display until Nov and a final version is awaited. It is reported that the Council is likely to roll out improvements over 3 years, but I hardly think this is achievable. There are many good proposals in the Strategy, even if it shies away from any major rethink of the area.

    All in all, things are looking up for the city’s prime retail area, which has descended into a rather depressing condition in recent years. There’s an expansion of the retail area into Dawson Street (Tower Records opening soon in the former Waterstones) and even to College Green (the former National Irish Bank hall being converted into H&M). In fact the development of retail on College Green is most interesting, its surely a matter of time before Ulster Bank too decamp. Some high profile retail tenants makes a greater case for a greater pedestrian space at College Green. The current mess of College Green is a disgrace – signage posts, clutter, those ill-considered lighting standards. Lets try and make a space worthy of a capital city centre.

    #785076

    Anonymous

    Yes Ulster Bank on College Green will be an interesting play Stephen. They wish to enter into a leaseback arrangement upon sale, for ten years, but the ground floor retail may possibly be up for grabs. Either way, if the market continues as it is, there is little question the building will be comprehensively redeveloped as an enormous retail site over multiple floors – effectively a department store, if the demand is there in years to come.

    South Anne Street is beyond an embarrassment at this stage. I walked it only yesterday (I usually avoid the horror show) with my head in my hands. What a planning disgrace – banners, posters, projecting signage, sandwich boards, unauthorised shopfronts, garish colours, restaurants commandeering ‘pavement’ pitches as an extension of their own floorplate with permanent wall and roof structures – it’s unbelievable stuff. Like the worst excesses of uncontrolled bazaars in 19th century seaside resorts, or bonkers Asian cities. And this the approach route to ‘Ireland’s premier shopping destination’. LOL as they say. Where on earth is the pride gone? As for the street surface – well, there just isn’t one. It’s like hundreds of miniature volcanoes have erupted, pockmarking the street with craters in its wake. Goodness knows how this sorry mess is going to be cleaned up. I have to say, the Grafton Quarter visualisation for the street is very impressive, but curiously, the property management aspect of things isn’t exactly elucidated…

    I am very surprised at the Massimo shopfront. It is thin, poorly detailed appliqué of the lazy kind, and unresponsive to its host building. In fact, it clashes with it, with its flimsy modernist pilasters of Spanish white limestone misaligned with the upper floors and unnecessarily interrupting the flow of its fascia. And the flush windows just add to the ‘applied’ character of the whole thing.

    Believe it or not, this is the third attempt to get things right, with the applicant submitting planning, additional information and even clarification of additional information, in response to justly expressed concerns by the case planner about the character of the proposed shopfront and the clarity of information in the submitted plans. I think the initially proposed shopfront was far more appropriate – flush black stone cladding, with no pilasters, simply arranged as a series of crisply articulated frames around windows. Alas, the devil is in the detail, and planning just cannot engineer out clumsy design.

    But agreed that it’s a sharpening improvement at least, and it does set a trend for higher quality materials on Grafton Street.

    The pace of repaving is incredible! Certainly a case of on-time and (hopefully) on budget.

    #785077

    Anonymous

    @StephenC wrote:

    To be fair, its meant for blind people and poor sighted people.

    I’ve seen plenty of blind people walking around streets without wayfinding strips. They somehow manage – they’ve been doing it all their lives. In fact, putting one here is just teasing them because in the lifetime of my grandchildren there won’t be a wayfinding strip on the vast majority of streets in Ireland. Why do we have to ape the politically correct insanity of the UK?

    #785078

    Anonymous

    Aah I see what you mean about Massimo Dutti’s new shopfront Graham. Its just been completed and opened.

    It is as you suggest rather ‘clumsy’, and a textbook example of a ground floor completely ignoring what the upper floor is doing. It seems rather unfortunate. (sorry if I am stealing your thunder with quick phone camera pics G).

    Its as if the entrance is on the wrong side?

    And annoyingly, couldnt they have stretched the height for hire across and painted the remainder.

    #785079

    Anonymous

    -Elsewhere on Grafton Street, its funny what you notice when you look up. This one, right up at the north end. I’d hazard a whole business just left intact, gathering dust. The building is owned by AIB Investment if I’m not mistaken and I recall they had plans to create a larger unit of the corner building around 2009/10.

    Anyone for a Vinzini?

    #785080

    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Man they really missed a good chance with that Massimo Dutti shopfront. Completely ignores the second floor rhythm.

    #785081

    Anonymous

    I find a lot of the critique on these forums excellent – for example, the Irish Times Building on D’Olier Street. But really, who cares that the Massimo Dutti shopfront ignores the rhythm of bays on the first floor? It might matter if the building was distinguished in some way but it isn’t — and it’s not the most noticeable thing either. As architectural crimes in Dublin go, this has to rate as fairly minor IMHO.

    #785082

    Anonymous

    You’re right of course…but its just a comment. I dont think anyone is suggesting that an ‘architectural crime’ has been committed. But I suppose its relevant to the wider issue of good shopfront design – what works and what doesnt and why.

    #785083

    Anonymous

    @StephenC wrote:

    You’re right of course…but its just a comment. I dont think anyone is suggesting that an ‘architectural crime’ has been committed. But I suppose its relevant to the wider issue of good shopfront design – what works and what doesnt and why.

    And Fair Comment too Stephen.

    The approach to maintaining or fostering our Cityscape should be subject to this form of robust comment….if only to prevent a recurrence of this ……

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/grafton-street-is-now-fifth-most-expensive-location-to-rent-in-the-world-26494744.html

    The sort of wild-eyed drooling Mooh-Lah centred stuff which infects far too much of Dubln City’s existence :crazy:

    #785084

    Anonymous

    It’s pretty clear now that the Irish & Portuguese granite types do not work together, they neither blend nor contrast sufficiently (I am repeating myself here, but the job is turning out to be a real disappointment).

    Even when viewed in pristine condition, the clash of the two is clear.

    The street furniture is dreadful homogeneous catelogue tat, much of it already marked. The chosen colour however isn’t bad at least. You wouldn’t hold out much hope for the light fittings.

    Really, the Portuguese granite has to go, very nice stuff in it’s own right, but the wrong choice for Grafton Street.

    #785085

    Anonymous

    What are the chances of that!

    A very disappointing scheme.

    #785086

    Anonymous

    Zero – still has to be said though!

    #785087

    Anonymous

    I despair at what’s happening on Grafton Street. Much public and media comment – the majority even – is unfair and understandably misguided as regards the cleanliness of the paving. There is no question that it looks shocking in its current raw state, but we must hold our breath and await the outcome of the abrasive cleaning and sealing later in the year (though in saying this, having to ‘seal’ a natural product is somewhat unsettling and sounds distinctly high maintenance going forward).

    What there is no escaping from is the clash of the stones (there’s a film title in that), which as Peter describes, is simply ham-fisted and visually discordant. Both the colours and the textures are chaotic – chalk and cheese – and should never have been paired in the way they have, which is a shame, as they’re both distinguished in their own right. The slab sizes are also finicky, lacking in contextual understanding. The clunky ‘wayfinding strip’ just adds to the mess, and as for the trashy funerary cobbles lining the building line! What the heck?! Even the craft isn’t there: the paving has been laid in awkward linear sections in attemping to respond to the curve of the street, rather than gracefully flowing with it. It looks woeful when the street is lightly populated.

    The green bollards – and I concur the colour almost hits the distinguished mark – were chipping within days of installation, with the more usual battleship grey revealed from underneath. I suspect these were sprayed green as a custom job, but that as catalogue items they were never meant to be sprayed. As for the ‘design’, well, it’s not a design. There is no design. They’re a proprietary, cartoonish insult to the dignity of a major civic thoroughfare. I shudder to think what lighting is being compiled.

    It’s all such a mess and it’s just not good enough. Genuinely, one desperately would like to have faith in the in-house expertise of the municipal authority to promote, demonstrate and all but curate civic design standards in the city, but dammit it just doesn’t seem to be there. It’s a crying shame.

    #785088

    Anonymous

    The repaving of Grafton Street leaves me almost distraught when I look at it. The “wayfinding strip” is an absolute abomination.Is it even necessary? The new bollards and bins represent the blandness, lack of appreciation and taste that is currently manifesting as the work progresses. The failure to use recesses to disguise the sporadic number of telecom and sewerage caps is again appalling. Why has the opportunity to provide high class paving suited to Grafton Street been so badly missed and ultimately who is responsible? Also why can’t they start the cleaning and sealing now seen as its so blooming obvious its needed as its filthy.

    #785089

    Anonymous
    #785090

    Anonymous

    That was an ironing board on a stiletto, right!

    The thing that gets me about the paving is that they got it right [to my eye anyway] on Mary Street, several years ago. That short little stretch on the north side of the church was well executed and moderately subtle in its differential between road and path, why could they not just stick with that.

    It’s not so much that the he ‘path’ areas on Grafton Street are the wrong colour, or the unit size is unnecessarily miserable, it’s that they’re laid the wrong way.

    And then there’s that dodgy tiled pattern, square area, at the junctions!

    Would we really not have got that we’ve reached a junction with a side street without this helpful change in paving pattern? . . . maybe by the fact that there are gaps in the buildings?

    #785091

    Anonymous

    The second batch of streetworks under the Grafton Street Quarter project is now out to public consultation. The scheme incorporates Wicklow Street (to Clarendon Street), Harry Street, Balfe Street and Chatham Street. This is Part VIII so the usual rules apply …you make submission, its ignored, councillors wave it though and delivered project is significantly different from the project in the plans. Am I too cynical 🙂

    http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3080/14&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2270344%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href=%27wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=2752501%26StartIndex=11%26SortOrder=APNID%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2270344%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%27%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E

    #925161

    admin
    Keymaster

    The old Wests premises seems have been a jewelers for a fair length of time. Image from a guide book in 1866 has this business Topham & White in existance from 1826

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  • #785073

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    It t’is of course the minutiae of city life and wearnicehats will no doubt be appalled. Nevertheless you asked about the benches in Merrion Square. And from what I can see they are stained and varnished.

    Before

    And after…they look great

    #785074

    Anonymous
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    StephenC, thanks for having a look. Great to see the old benches getting a new lease of life. We are going to go for an untreated timber with an oil. Leaving them oiled means they can be sanded back quite easily and re oiled when they get a bit scruffy. Oil also keeps the timber looking natural

    The Brits have a document for everything. Found this when I was doing a bit of research:

    http://www.royalparks.org.uk/__documents/the-royal-parks/publications/other-publications,-reports-and-strategies/landscape-design-guide.pdf

    #785075

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    Whatever about the concerns expressed about the details of the new scheme for Grafton Street, one can’t deny that the work is progressing speedily and with a minimum of disruption. In fact the contractors are powering through the project and one could imagine the street being completed by the end of the summer. The team are currently finishing pavement outside Brown Thomas.

    The street is seeing a great deal of activity: the new Massimo Dutti store has transformed the former HMV premises on the street, a NAMA-funded development is taking place at the southern end and a number of sites have popped up on Duke Street and South Anne Street.

    It would appear that the street is at the start of a period of improvement – sorely needed. My one concern is that a rather bland approach to shopfronts has developed. A lot of plate glass and stone facing and colour is sorely missing – everything is cream and white.

    Once upon a fantasy time, we were talking of this street as one of the prime retail pitches in the world (that hubris beggars belief now). What is happening is that retail has condensed down to the two main cores in the city centre and the major multiples are finally starting to spend a little on new stores and new looks in a bid to attract custom back from the suburbs. It could only have gotten better for Grafton Street.

    Dublin City Council have finally responded to the dismal condition of the public realm in the area, which hardly matches the hive of smart boutiques and eateries clamouring over each other in the area from Grafton Street to South Great Georges Street, by developing a Public Realm Strategy for the Grafton Street Quarter.

    http://www.dublincity.ie/YourCouncil/LocalAreaServices/SouthEastArea/GSQ/GraftonStreetQuarter/Documents/GSQPublicRealmPlanDraft.pdf

    The current condition of Duke Street and South Anne Street in particular is disgraceful.

    The draft was on display until Nov and a final version is awaited. It is reported that the Council is likely to roll out improvements over 3 years, but I hardly think this is achievable. There are many good proposals in the Strategy, even if it shies away from any major rethink of the area.

    All in all, things are looking up for the city’s prime retail area, which has descended into a rather depressing condition in recent years. There’s an expansion of the retail area into Dawson Street (Tower Records opening soon in the former Waterstones) and even to College Green (the former National Irish Bank hall being converted into H&M). In fact the development of retail on College Green is most interesting, its surely a matter of time before Ulster Bank too decamp. Some high profile retail tenants makes a greater case for a greater pedestrian space at College Green. The current mess of College Green is a disgrace – signage posts, clutter, those ill-considered lighting standards. Lets try and make a space worthy of a capital city centre.

    #785076

    Anonymous
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    Yes Ulster Bank on College Green will be an interesting play Stephen. They wish to enter into a leaseback arrangement upon sale, for ten years, but the ground floor retail may possibly be up for grabs. Either way, if the market continues as it is, there is little question the building will be comprehensively redeveloped as an enormous retail site over multiple floors – effectively a department store, if the demand is there in years to come.

    South Anne Street is beyond an embarrassment at this stage. I walked it only yesterday (I usually avoid the horror show) with my head in my hands. What a planning disgrace – banners, posters, projecting signage, sandwich boards, unauthorised shopfronts, garish colours, restaurants commandeering ‘pavement’ pitches as an extension of their own floorplate with permanent wall and roof structures – it’s unbelievable stuff. Like the worst excesses of uncontrolled bazaars in 19th century seaside resorts, or bonkers Asian cities. And this the approach route to ‘Ireland’s premier shopping destination’. LOL as they say. Where on earth is the pride gone? As for the street surface – well, there just isn’t one. It’s like hundreds of miniature volcanoes have erupted, pockmarking the street with craters in its wake. Goodness knows how this sorry mess is going to be cleaned up. I have to say, the Grafton Quarter visualisation for the street is very impressive, but curiously, the property management aspect of things isn’t exactly elucidated…

    I am very surprised at the Massimo shopfront. It is thin, poorly detailed appliqué of the lazy kind, and unresponsive to its host building. In fact, it clashes with it, with its flimsy modernist pilasters of Spanish white limestone misaligned with the upper floors and unnecessarily interrupting the flow of its fascia. And the flush windows just add to the ‘applied’ character of the whole thing.

    Believe it or not, this is the third attempt to get things right, with the applicant submitting planning, additional information and even clarification of additional information, in response to justly expressed concerns by the case planner about the character of the proposed shopfront and the clarity of information in the submitted plans. I think the initially proposed shopfront was far more appropriate – flush black stone cladding, with no pilasters, simply arranged as a series of crisply articulated frames around windows. Alas, the devil is in the detail, and planning just cannot engineer out clumsy design.

    But agreed that it’s a sharpening improvement at least, and it does set a trend for higher quality materials on Grafton Street.

    The pace of repaving is incredible! Certainly a case of on-time and (hopefully) on budget.

    #785077

    Anonymous
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    @StephenC wrote:

    To be fair, its meant for blind people and poor sighted people.

    I’ve seen plenty of blind people walking around streets without wayfinding strips. They somehow manage – they’ve been doing it all their lives. In fact, putting one here is just teasing them because in the lifetime of my grandchildren there won’t be a wayfinding strip on the vast majority of streets in Ireland. Why do we have to ape the politically correct insanity of the UK?

    #785078

    Anonymous
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    Aah I see what you mean about Massimo Dutti’s new shopfront Graham. Its just been completed and opened.

    It is as you suggest rather ‘clumsy’, and a textbook example of a ground floor completely ignoring what the upper floor is doing. It seems rather unfortunate. (sorry if I am stealing your thunder with quick phone camera pics G).

    Its as if the entrance is on the wrong side?

    And annoyingly, couldnt they have stretched the height for hire across and painted the remainder.

    #785079

    Anonymous
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    -Elsewhere on Grafton Street, its funny what you notice when you look up. This one, right up at the north end. I’d hazard a whole business just left intact, gathering dust. The building is owned by AIB Investment if I’m not mistaken and I recall they had plans to create a larger unit of the corner building around 2009/10.

    Anyone for a Vinzini?

    #785080

    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster
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    Man they really missed a good chance with that Massimo Dutti shopfront. Completely ignores the second floor rhythm.

    #785081

    Anonymous
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    I find a lot of the critique on these forums excellent – for example, the Irish Times Building on D’Olier Street. But really, who cares that the Massimo Dutti shopfront ignores the rhythm of bays on the first floor? It might matter if the building was distinguished in some way but it isn’t — and it’s not the most noticeable thing either. As architectural crimes in Dublin go, this has to rate as fairly minor IMHO.

    #785082

    Anonymous
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    You’re right of course…but its just a comment. I dont think anyone is suggesting that an ‘architectural crime’ has been committed. But I suppose its relevant to the wider issue of good shopfront design – what works and what doesnt and why.

    #785083

    Anonymous
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    @StephenC wrote:

    You’re right of course…but its just a comment. I dont think anyone is suggesting that an ‘architectural crime’ has been committed. But I suppose its relevant to the wider issue of good shopfront design – what works and what doesnt and why.

    And Fair Comment too Stephen.

    The approach to maintaining or fostering our Cityscape should be subject to this form of robust comment….if only to prevent a recurrence of this ……

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/grafton-street-is-now-fifth-most-expensive-location-to-rent-in-the-world-26494744.html

    The sort of wild-eyed drooling Mooh-Lah centred stuff which infects far too much of Dubln City’s existence :crazy:

    #785084

    Anonymous
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    It’s pretty clear now that the Irish & Portuguese granite types do not work together, they neither blend nor contrast sufficiently (I am repeating myself here, but the job is turning out to be a real disappointment).

    Even when viewed in pristine condition, the clash of the two is clear.

    The street furniture is dreadful homogeneous catelogue tat, much of it already marked. The chosen colour however isn’t bad at least. You wouldn’t hold out much hope for the light fittings.

    Really, the Portuguese granite has to go, very nice stuff in it’s own right, but the wrong choice for Grafton Street.

    #785085

    Anonymous
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    What are the chances of that!

    A very disappointing scheme.

    #785086

    Anonymous
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    Zero – still has to be said though!

    #785087

    Anonymous
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    I despair at what’s happening on Grafton Street. Much public and media comment – the majority even – is unfair and understandably misguided as regards the cleanliness of the paving. There is no question that it looks shocking in its current raw state, but we must hold our breath and await the outcome of the abrasive cleaning and sealing later in the year (though in saying this, having to ‘seal’ a natural product is somewhat unsettling and sounds distinctly high maintenance going forward).

    What there is no escaping from is the clash of the stones (there’s a film title in that), which as Peter describes, is simply ham-fisted and visually discordant. Both the colours and the textures are chaotic – chalk and cheese – and should never have been paired in the way they have, which is a shame, as they’re both distinguished in their own right. The slab sizes are also finicky, lacking in contextual understanding. The clunky ‘wayfinding strip’ just adds to the mess, and as for the trashy funerary cobbles lining the building line! What the heck?! Even the craft isn’t there: the paving has been laid in awkward linear sections in attemping to respond to the curve of the street, rather than gracefully flowing with it. It looks woeful when the street is lightly populated.

    The green bollards – and I concur the colour almost hits the distinguished mark – were chipping within days of installation, with the more usual battleship grey revealed from underneath. I suspect these were sprayed green as a custom job, but that as catalogue items they were never meant to be sprayed. As for the ‘design’, well, it’s not a design. There is no design. They’re a proprietary, cartoonish insult to the dignity of a major civic thoroughfare. I shudder to think what lighting is being compiled.

    It’s all such a mess and it’s just not good enough. Genuinely, one desperately would like to have faith in the in-house expertise of the municipal authority to promote, demonstrate and all but curate civic design standards in the city, but dammit it just doesn’t seem to be there. It’s a crying shame.

    #785088

    Anonymous
    • Offline

    The repaving of Grafton Street leaves me almost distraught when I look at it. The “wayfinding strip” is an absolute abomination.Is it even necessary? The new bollards and bins represent the blandness, lack of appreciation and taste that is currently manifesting as the work progresses. The failure to use recesses to disguise the sporadic number of telecom and sewerage caps is again appalling. Why has the opportunity to provide high class paving suited to Grafton Street been so badly missed and ultimately who is responsible? Also why can’t they start the cleaning and sealing now seen as its so blooming obvious its needed as its filthy.

    #785089

    Anonymous
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    #785090

    Anonymous
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    That was an ironing board on a stiletto, right!

    The thing that gets me about the paving is that they got it right [to my eye anyway] on Mary Street, several years ago. That short little stretch on the north side of the church was well executed and moderately subtle in its differential between road and path, why could they not just stick with that.

    It’s not so much that the he ‘path’ areas on Grafton Street are the wrong colour, or the unit size is unnecessarily miserable, it’s that they’re laid the wrong way.

    And then there’s that dodgy tiled pattern, square area, at the junctions!

    Would we really not have got that we’ve reached a junction with a side street without this helpful change in paving pattern? . . . maybe by the fact that there are gaps in the buildings?

    #785091

    Anonymous
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    The second batch of streetworks under the Grafton Street Quarter project is now out to public consultation. The scheme incorporates Wicklow Street (to Clarendon Street), Harry Street, Balfe Street and Chatham Street. This is Part VIII so the usual rules apply …you make submission, its ignored, councillors wave it though and delivered project is significantly different from the project in the plans. Am I too cynical 🙂

    http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3080/14&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2270344%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href=%27wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=2752501%26StartIndex=11%26SortOrder=APNID%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2270344%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%27%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E

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    The old Wests premises seems have been a jewelers for a fair length of time. Image from a guide book in 1866 has this business Topham & White in existance from 1826

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