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    Fully agreed. In any event, the most important aspect of the Newcomen Bank is that from outside City Hall at the Castle gate, where the two high quality facades present themselves equally to Cork Hill and the once-important Castle Street. The Lord Edward Street elevation, however exposed by the creation of that same street, is secondary. While still important to its composition, its refacing as part of a palatial public building which shapes the character of this important thoroughfare leading from Christchurch is rendered relatively insignificant!

    It’s amusing to note that such a gradiose public building project is so compromised by way of being shunted eastwards over the Newcomen Bank, purely for the sake of accommodating a single privately owned plot to the west – the site of the 1880s Victorian sliver of a building. The plot after that is vacant! This also highlights the typical lack of vision that so pervaded in Dublin historically, even in the context of the clean-slate opportunity that was the laying out of Lord Edward Street. The potential for a unified composition reaching from Newcomen all the way westwards, wrapping around the corner onto Christchurch Place (originally Fishamble Street) is so obvious its blinding, offering the opportunity to provide a distinguished setting for Christchurch and a dignified entrance to the processional thoroughfare leading to Parnell Square.

    #802745

    Anonymous

    The Processional Thoroughfare gets a bit lost roundabouts Charlies, Supermacs and Abrakebabra on Westmoreland St.

    #802746

    Anonymous

    🙂

    This remarkable colour photograph of Lord Edward Street, taken in June 1961 by Charles W. Cushman, tells us much about the protracted development of one of the city’s most prominent thoroughfares. Nearly eighty years after the laying out of the street, large tracts remain undeveloped (all the lampposts have a brand new shiny coat of silver paint).

    As previously mentioned, the large red brick HSE building to the left, formerly a Carnagie Child Welfare Centre, dates to 1927, and features a magnificent array of metal windows with inward-tilting top lights – all long since replaced with dubious 1980s timber sashes. Beyond that in the distance, the first building to be constructed – one imagines somewhat tentatively – on the new street in 1887 proved to be just a tad premature. Over half a century later and it was still standing on its ownio. To describe it as precarious looking would also be understatement of the (same) century. Indeed, until the 1910s there was absolutely nothing else standing on the south side of the street, so this building must have been quite a spectacle. Perhaps the obligation to build within one year of purchasing a site here had something to do with the slow uptake of plots.

    This aerial photograph from around 1930, as posted earlier, shows how the street developed with a fine grain on the south side, and with monolithic, self-contained structures to the north in a manner not unlike the present-day approach to street building.

    Presumably the incredibly narrow terrace at the junction with Christchurch Place came about as a result of the limited acquisition of lands that took place to create Lord Edward Street. Seemingly the bare minimum was compulsorily purchased at this particular location, sufficient to create a ‘street wall’ and a habitable structure. The narrowest terrace in Dublin?

    #802747

    Paul Clerkin
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    terrace is a slight misnomer here as it suggests a collection of buildings when in fact it was an institution – an orphanage – The Dublin Working Boy’s Home

    http://two.archiseek.com/archives/5555

    meacupla bollix – you’re talking about across the street
    I was in that once years ago – ridiculously narrow interior spaces

    #802748

    Anonymous

    @grahamh wrote:

    It has just been cleaned and fully refurbished. The usual application for setback storeys was refused. Hopefully that scaffold rail is coming down.

    Absolutely.. gorgeous..

    I wish the infilling around the city centre could be done in this style.

    #802749

    Anonymous

    22/8/2010

    Skirting around the fringes of the early days of photography, we must rely on sketch drawings for perspectives of Cork Hill in the days before Lord Edward Street.

    Henry Shaw’s ever-helpful The Dublin Pictorial Guide & Directory of 1850 shows a charmingly picturesque urban scene as viewed, somewhat optimised, from outside City Hall.

    Tall Georgian commercial premises step up the hill from the entrance to Blind Quay on the right – now Upper Exchange Street – towards the Newcomen Bank in its pre-extended three-bay appearance on the left. The bank’s main entrance is clearly apparent as being on Castle Street, which survives to this day with its associated entrance hall, while the Cork Hill elevation is railed with a basement well – this too was a secondary entrance originally.

    Of note is that in 1850, only one shop had modern plate glass windows (the vertical strips of the middle shop) while all the others retain quaint Georgian grids. The three-bay house on at No. 10 has its horizontal stacking shutters up.

    Of the buildings on the right, remarkably all of these plots still survive. The Queen of Tarts is second from the left!

    Indeed, the left-hand buildings possibly retain Goergian fabric behind their sober machine-made brick facades to this day, although I do remember reading a reference to the Exchange Street corner being comprehensively rebuilt – it may have been confused with the former newspaper offices on the corner with Parliament Street though. The viceregal warrants are a proud civic feature that has all but vanished from Dublin streets – sadly an element that could still be seen into the 1950s.

    Turning the other direction and reeling back half a century, here is a rare view of one of the great institutional pairings in the city: the La Touche Bank to the left and the Newcomen Bank to the right. What a spectacle, when combined with the west front of the Royal Exchange, as one approached the gates of Dublin Castle. The steep incline, the gracious sweep in the road, the monumental sense of enclosure, the grandiose pretentions of the architecture: urban theatre at its very best.

    The print is taken from the December 1788 edition of the Gentleman’s Magazine. In the background a few Billys are scribbled in to heighten the sophistication of the new.

    Christine Casey’s memorable observation of the Castle being ‘shamefully upstaged’ by its sophisticated neighbours on Cork Hill is vividly brought home by such perspectives.

    #802750

    Anonymous

    What a quirky little street Cork Street would have been! Has the space been kept it could have created a lovely “court” about the City Hall. The changed street layout also shows what an anachronism the retained “Cork Street” is, given that the street has no all but disappeared. It confuses the poor tourists to beat the band! All those hapless souls standing at the corner of City Hall desperately looking for Dame Street or Lord Edward Street and squinting to try and find Cork Hill on the map!

    #802751

    Anonymous

    I think I remember reading that there was a late 1700s plan to construct a Square on the site of what is now Lord Edward St. If I remember correctly, it was to be called Richmond Sq.

    #802752

    Anonymous

    Think that was the square on the site of City Hall you’re thinking of

    #802753

    Anonymous

    @rory W wrote:

    Think that was the square on the site of City Hall you’re thinking of

    Possibly? Do you have any information on that….I still can’t remember were I read about it!;)

    #802754

    Anonymous

    You’re thinking of ‘Bedford Square’, as shown on Rocque’s map of 1756.

    I don’t think it ever really got off the ground and then they came up with the idea to build the Royal Exchange on the site and that was the end of that.

    #802755

    Anonymous

    Hey Gunther

    You are probably correct! Its been driving me mad trying to remember where I read about this. Also, I mistakenly thought the name started with R:)

    Bedford Sq was planned but never actually laid out despite being shown on the Map??

    #802756

    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    correct
    there were a number of these “ghost” developments that appeared in maps over the years and were never executed

    #943889

    admin
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    This is an interesting plan for the area from the 1870s

    http://archiseek.com/2014/1874-proposed-new-street-by-christ-church-cathedral-dublin
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    Fully agreed. In any event, the most important aspect of the Newcomen Bank is that from outside City Hall at the Castle gate, where the two high quality facades present themselves equally to Cork Hill and the once-important Castle Street. The Lord Edward Street elevation, however exposed by the creation of that same street, is secondary. While still important to its composition, its refacing as part of a palatial public building which shapes the character of this important thoroughfare leading from Christchurch is rendered relatively insignificant!

    It’s amusing to note that such a gradiose public building project is so compromised by way of being shunted eastwards over the Newcomen Bank, purely for the sake of accommodating a single privately owned plot to the west – the site of the 1880s Victorian sliver of a building. The plot after that is vacant! This also highlights the typical lack of vision that so pervaded in Dublin historically, even in the context of the clean-slate opportunity that was the laying out of Lord Edward Street. The potential for a unified composition reaching from Newcomen all the way westwards, wrapping around the corner onto Christchurch Place (originally Fishamble Street) is so obvious its blinding, offering the opportunity to provide a distinguished setting for Christchurch and a dignified entrance to the processional thoroughfare leading to Parnell Square.

    #802745

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    The Processional Thoroughfare gets a bit lost roundabouts Charlies, Supermacs and Abrakebabra on Westmoreland St.

    #802746

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    🙂

    This remarkable colour photograph of Lord Edward Street, taken in June 1961 by Charles W. Cushman, tells us much about the protracted development of one of the city’s most prominent thoroughfares. Nearly eighty years after the laying out of the street, large tracts remain undeveloped (all the lampposts have a brand new shiny coat of silver paint).

    As previously mentioned, the large red brick HSE building to the left, formerly a Carnagie Child Welfare Centre, dates to 1927, and features a magnificent array of metal windows with inward-tilting top lights – all long since replaced with dubious 1980s timber sashes. Beyond that in the distance, the first building to be constructed – one imagines somewhat tentatively – on the new street in 1887 proved to be just a tad premature. Over half a century later and it was still standing on its ownio. To describe it as precarious looking would also be understatement of the (same) century. Indeed, until the 1910s there was absolutely nothing else standing on the south side of the street, so this building must have been quite a spectacle. Perhaps the obligation to build within one year of purchasing a site here had something to do with the slow uptake of plots.

    This aerial photograph from around 1930, as posted earlier, shows how the street developed with a fine grain on the south side, and with monolithic, self-contained structures to the north in a manner not unlike the present-day approach to street building.

    Presumably the incredibly narrow terrace at the junction with Christchurch Place came about as a result of the limited acquisition of lands that took place to create Lord Edward Street. Seemingly the bare minimum was compulsorily purchased at this particular location, sufficient to create a ‘street wall’ and a habitable structure. The narrowest terrace in Dublin?

    #802747

    Paul Clerkin
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    terrace is a slight misnomer here as it suggests a collection of buildings when in fact it was an institution – an orphanage – The Dublin Working Boy’s Home

    http://two.archiseek.com/archives/5555

    meacupla bollix – you’re talking about across the street
    I was in that once years ago – ridiculously narrow interior spaces

    #802748

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    @grahamh wrote:

    It has just been cleaned and fully refurbished. The usual application for setback storeys was refused. Hopefully that scaffold rail is coming down.

    Absolutely.. gorgeous..

    I wish the infilling around the city centre could be done in this style.

    #802749

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    22/8/2010

    Skirting around the fringes of the early days of photography, we must rely on sketch drawings for perspectives of Cork Hill in the days before Lord Edward Street.

    Henry Shaw’s ever-helpful The Dublin Pictorial Guide & Directory of 1850 shows a charmingly picturesque urban scene as viewed, somewhat optimised, from outside City Hall.

    Tall Georgian commercial premises step up the hill from the entrance to Blind Quay on the right – now Upper Exchange Street – towards the Newcomen Bank in its pre-extended three-bay appearance on the left. The bank’s main entrance is clearly apparent as being on Castle Street, which survives to this day with its associated entrance hall, while the Cork Hill elevation is railed with a basement well – this too was a secondary entrance originally.

    Of note is that in 1850, only one shop had modern plate glass windows (the vertical strips of the middle shop) while all the others retain quaint Georgian grids. The three-bay house on at No. 10 has its horizontal stacking shutters up.

    Of the buildings on the right, remarkably all of these plots still survive. The Queen of Tarts is second from the left!

    Indeed, the left-hand buildings possibly retain Goergian fabric behind their sober machine-made brick facades to this day, although I do remember reading a reference to the Exchange Street corner being comprehensively rebuilt – it may have been confused with the former newspaper offices on the corner with Parliament Street though. The viceregal warrants are a proud civic feature that has all but vanished from Dublin streets – sadly an element that could still be seen into the 1950s.

    Turning the other direction and reeling back half a century, here is a rare view of one of the great institutional pairings in the city: the La Touche Bank to the left and the Newcomen Bank to the right. What a spectacle, when combined with the west front of the Royal Exchange, as one approached the gates of Dublin Castle. The steep incline, the gracious sweep in the road, the monumental sense of enclosure, the grandiose pretentions of the architecture: urban theatre at its very best.

    The print is taken from the December 1788 edition of the Gentleman’s Magazine. In the background a few Billys are scribbled in to heighten the sophistication of the new.

    Christine Casey’s memorable observation of the Castle being ‘shamefully upstaged’ by its sophisticated neighbours on Cork Hill is vividly brought home by such perspectives.

    #802750

    Anonymous
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    What a quirky little street Cork Street would have been! Has the space been kept it could have created a lovely “court” about the City Hall. The changed street layout also shows what an anachronism the retained “Cork Street” is, given that the street has no all but disappeared. It confuses the poor tourists to beat the band! All those hapless souls standing at the corner of City Hall desperately looking for Dame Street or Lord Edward Street and squinting to try and find Cork Hill on the map!

    #802751

    Anonymous
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    I think I remember reading that there was a late 1700s plan to construct a Square on the site of what is now Lord Edward St. If I remember correctly, it was to be called Richmond Sq.

    #802752

    Anonymous
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    Think that was the square on the site of City Hall you’re thinking of

    #802753

    Anonymous
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    @rory W wrote:

    Think that was the square on the site of City Hall you’re thinking of

    Possibly? Do you have any information on that….I still can’t remember were I read about it!;)

    #802754

    Anonymous
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    You’re thinking of ‘Bedford Square’, as shown on Rocque’s map of 1756.

    I don’t think it ever really got off the ground and then they came up with the idea to build the Royal Exchange on the site and that was the end of that.

    #802755

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    Hey Gunther

    You are probably correct! Its been driving me mad trying to remember where I read about this. Also, I mistakenly thought the name started with R:)

    Bedford Sq was planned but never actually laid out despite being shown on the Map??

    #802756

    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster
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    correct
    there were a number of these “ghost” developments that appeared in maps over the years and were never executed

    #943889

    admin
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    This is an interesting plan for the area from the 1870s

    http://archiseek.com/2014/1874-proposed-new-street-by-christ-church-cathedral-dublin
    /

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