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There are lots of things in the scheme of course, covering everything from use to shopfronts to signage etc. All very laudable of course but probably without any real interest in enforcing it in the current environment. Do Charity Shops pay rates?
At a recent event organised by Dublin City Architects to discuss creating the high quality work environments of the future in Dublin, some of the key points that arose were high quality and well maintained public realm, a vibrant and attractive street life, curating uses on streets to stimulate the right kind of mix and brand for the area, promoting design and innovation in shops and business etc. All something that I would hope to see on show on Grafton Street.
The first stone of the church was laid on the 4th. Oct. 1838 and the building was opened with great solemnity on 22nd. August 1839. The church was the work of Fr. Morgan who obtained many backers amongst them the principal benefactor, John, 16th. Earl of Shrewsbury. The architect was Augustus Welby Pugin who carried out work on Alton Towers and later worked on the Houses of Parliament. The Catholic Church at Cheadle was also his work.
Good question! Not sure when it was built or demolished to be honest. There are references to it 1485, 1555 and 1599. We found evidence that James’ Street narrowed a lot at the gate in c. 13th century, but we think that might be for a bridge rather than a gate. The Down Survey shows the gate forming part of the confederate defences in the 1640s. There is a reference in the 1730s about how it should be torn down because its a nuisance, but I’m not sure that it was torn down at that time. Rocque’s map might still be showing the gate (or at least most of it) still in 1760, and those structures are still present by the 1840s.
Maybe the overarching part of the gate came down in the 18th century but the side bits of the gate remained more-or-less in place until the 19th century? I think the area was finally widened in the late 19th or early 20th century. It’s odd there are no images of it.
on another note do any images exist of the old St James Gate before it was pulled down?
Not that I could find.
Looking forward to our regular updates from Antoine.
Thanks. We completed the preliminary report on the findings. It can be downloaded at http://www.archaeologyplan.com/projects
Reviving a fascinating old thread that was started in 2001 – 2010 in hopes someone can help me.
I am not an archaeologist at all and live in Canada. My 2x great grandfather Thomas Gregory lived in Clontarf, Dublin, Ireland and was killed in a mine collapse in that area sometime between 1874-1880. I recently learned that his body was not discovered for approx. 100 years until sometime in the late 1970’s-1980’s when excavation work was being done and an old mine had been uncovered. There were 6 bodies found and one was confirmed as Thomas Gregory’s.
I’m told there was a newspaper article written about this discovery but I am unable to get my hands on it. I am unable to find his death record. I’m guessing the coroner, city council archaeologists, media would have been involved in this discovery but I don’t know who to contact to try to track down this information.
I am desperate to solve this family mystery and am hoping this forum might be able to help me.
Look forward to hearing back. Thank you.
Those cuboid three-storey pillars are hideous, as is that ridiculous cylindrical billboard that says ‘Cad é an scéal?’. They are to this architectural era what Hawkins House was to the 60s.
I’m kind of chancing my arm but…
I was watching this documentary called A Stranger’s Notebook on Dublin (http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=3288112) made in the 1960s, and I saw this building (crap screenshot, sorry: http://s1128.photobucket.com/albums/m493/marsnominee/?action=view¤t=CouldThisBePartofPims.png). I don’t know where it is, but I was wondering if it could be part of the old Pim’s? The documentary did include shots of South Great George’s Street, but this one was spliced in with shots of Grafton Street. I know Pim’s had more embellishment and a balustrade on the parapet, but can’t think where else could be? Does anyone remember if Pim’s had its decorative elements removed before it was knocked down?The building at the corner of Eden Quay and O’Connell Street has finally had the hideous Irish Nationwide lettering removed!!!
Hurrah!! Pediments are still painted that minging green colour though.
I would attach a picture if I figure out how to do that.
Next steps for improvement-
Remove the advertising from the building at the other corner on lower ormonde quay and remove its cladding
Demolish Penneys
Demolish that building where the comedy lounge is now
Close down Burger King
Demolish O’Connell Bridge House and the fake Ballast building at the end of Westmoreland Street
Replace Traffic lights with less ugly ones
RecobbleThe timing of the opening is certainly ironic. Given the prvious scenes of emigrants departing from Dublin Airport prevviously there’ll be a very hollow ring to the goodbyes in the spanking new building. But, is it not something we need for the next 20 years no matter what happens??
Sterling work Graham, really excellent. By any chance have you seen the smiles dental clinic on O’Connell St? Some very dodgy signage has been used.
No corporate sponsorship or selling seats corporately. Sure it’s only the taxpayers money. The final bill will be double what is anticipated, as and when the fleecers move in. Personally, I would have prefered Abbotstown.
@onq wrote:
Perhaps thats why its the fastest growing religion in the world.
It’s not though – Christianity (taken as a whole) is growing fastest in terms of numbers. Due to high numbers of conversions, especially in Asia. In percentage terms, the smaller religions are growing fastest (since it easier to go from 1 to 2 than from 1 billion to 2 billion). Due to its predominance in poor countries, Islam does have high birth rates associated with it though.
Well of course Islam has very strick directives when it comes to building Mosques as a result of which they are immediately identifiable no matter where they are built. here could be a point in that that could be well assimilated.
It doesn’t have strict directives. It also depends on the sect. Prayer rooms are supposed to be aligned with Mecca, more Wahhabist influenced places will be stricter on no imagery (and I might add, have destroyed a huge number of ancient decorated mosques in the Balkans because they do not conform with their views); Most will try to build a minaret if they can get away with it (but it’s not required), as advertising, a show of dominance, and to do calls to prayer (like churches with spires and bells) and most- but not all- sects try to separate male and female. That’s about it – there are no more than those of say a baptist church (which have very few actual requirements).
I think it would be wonderful if the drum was reclad in Portland stone and the chimneys were re-instated.
It would also be wonderful if the liberty hall and Irish Life were removed
Does cylinder glass have any kind of legal protection/listed status? Or is it okay to destroy it and completely replace sash windows with modern, double glazed sash windows
Jervis SC is hideous.
Even as a shopping centre it is already dated and grotesque.
The multi-storey car park is especially offensive and should never have been allowed.
Dublin’s skyline has been assaulted by so many of these recessed extra floors on top, such as the Irish Times building, they cannot be allowed to get away with it. It looks worse then if the upper floors were not recessed.
Did the hospital have any interesting interiors? Does anybody have any photographs? Was was the building to the south (to the right as you are looking at the main facade) like?
So many atrocities have happened in Dublin in recent years, the Westin Hotel being another example.
There are a number of opportunities now to reclaim some of Dublin
> Persuade SIPTU to build their new Liberty hall somewhere in the docklands so that the current liberty hall could be demolished and replaced with something low rise – a new abbey?
> Hawkins House could be demolised
>O’Connell Bridge House demolishedTotally unrealistic, but think of the possibilities!
PS what is happening with the Clarence hotel?
Well we’re only supposed to pay tributes to our great leaders in Dublin, you don’t seriously expect them to provide services outside the pale do you ?!
@StephenC wrote:
The big problem with this site is not that there was no demand but that all three buildings are in State ownership – DoHC, DSFA and An Post. The saga of relocating the DoHC shows how slow the State has been in realising what could have been a profitable asset.
How did the state end up in possession of these awful buildings?
And why is the state also the owner of the ugly buildings at the Dawson Steet end of Moleworth Street?
Is there some kind of need to get their hands on terrible buildings created by THE worst developers?
