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Thanks for that Cobalt and how revealing it was to 😉
Gretchen should have her brief/future with the IT seriously considered after that article;
Agreed 😉
But it is equally relevant to acknowledge that Dublin City Council are equally a landlord in that they depend heavily on Commercial rates to keep the City maintained.
Grafton Street is arguably the premier Mall in what is the Nations biggest Shopping Centre; vital to the success of any thriving shopping centre is a vibrant and diverse tenant mix. I would be very interested to see ‘the experts’ that deny that a diverse tenant mix in terms of use is in the Streets best interest.
Experts say special Grafton Street planning restrictions won’t work
Archiseek / Ireland / News / 2006 / February 7
The Irish TimesSpecial planning restrictions aimed at reversing the spread of mobile phone shops and convenience stores along Grafton Street are likely to backfire, according to a number of landlords and property experts. Two weeks ago Dublin City Council (DCC) proposed transforming the capital’s main shopping thoroughfare into an architectural conservation area (ACA) following mounting concerns over the street’s deteriorating character. The new planning designation will give the local authority strict control over what types of businesses can trade from the street and it’s expected that mobile phone shops, convenience stores and pharmacies will be among those retailers that are in future either limited or excluded from the prime shopping thoroughfare.
Could someone please post the full article I am interested to see which particular genius is of that opinion.
i don’t like the green piece of lego on top of liberty hall. it spoils it. when plans came about to build liberty hall back in the sixties was it built according to plan or was it meant to be any different?
@electrolyte wrote:
TTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBBEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR!!!
Knock it, redevelop it, better it.
Y’all make it sound stunning! Its a glass (maybe even perspex) box with some waves on top….das it!
It’s certainly not stunning but it has been around a long time and I think that is an important fact. I can’t imagine Dublin without it. It does need plenty of work mind. Drag it into the 21st century I say and keep it tall. 🙂
i agree. we don’t need another box. a 2 storey building on that site, even a 6 storey building would be a disaster. dublin would look completely different. libertty hall is one of dublin’s defining buildings. i think we should keep anything that goes on that site tall. liberty hall has been part of dublin for 40 years or so and that is a long time. i am very use to it as it has been around for all of my life.
ah, that’s a pitty. i quite like the proposal that was approved. knocking hawkin’s house would also have made tara street look extra nice.
The recent Dart Closures would have been the perfect opportunity, something tells me that the commuter is a little weary of closures at this point and Tara St would be the first weekday closures I can ever remember. All services terminating in Connolly and Pearse would make life very difficult for those living and working in suburbs on opposing sides of the city and one really has to wonder would the congestion costs significantly outweigh the capital gain.
A complete redesign leaving the station intact but 100% coverage away from the station with a public open space (interlinked deck) on top of the station and a cantelevered section over the station could be kind of funky.
i remember tara street being approved years ago and i must say i like the look of the plans. i also wish that they’d speed things up there and go to construction. it is taking a long time to start erection work on tara street. i just hope that tara street doesn’t slip through the net like the southbank tower did.
Sorry. Don’t get me wrong. I am not saying tall at any cost. I really do agree with proper context/location. I am simply saying that we should have some skyscrapers as part of Dublin and of course in the right location. We should also speed up the process of going to construction. I am not for skyscrapers everywhere and all over the place. As for Liberty Hall, I think it would be a shame to remove this building as it has been part of the skyline for 40 years. Replacing it with a lowrise building would dramatically change that area. If they knock Liberty Hall and build a nice efficient building in it’s place to the same height I’ll be happy. Something clean and fresh there would be nice. Even a clean up of the existing Liberty Hall. I know people say it impacts on the Custom House but I think our Loop Line Bridge is to blame there. 😉
I hope that if they do knock it something of equal hight is built on that site, possibly taller. Dublin certainly does need all the tall buildings it can get. To knock it and build a 6 storey box in it’s place would be a nightmare. I think that this country is very slow to build highrises. There are even delays with Alto Vetro and Montevetro which proves my point. Build them right now I say. Don’t waste time and allow them to slip through. Look at what happened to the proposed Southbank Tower. To be honest though I do hate Montevetro. It’s not one bit tasty at all. 🙂
I genuinely believe that the architects of the 1960’s genuinely believed that they were in a new paradigm and that brutalist architecture was the ultimate expression of man’s conquering technology to deliver functionality to the masses, Liberty Hall in that context is quite a soft expression with its proportioned plinth and crown. It could almost be described as a modern building that was compromised by Victorian influences represented by the copper crown and less impressive plinth.
No such excuses for the VHI that was cynical penny pinching; not that the VHI have been doing much of that with their premiums lately.
It would be ‘the grey area’ application of all time.
On the one hand you have a precedent for 16 storeys with an established commercial use and a long established occupier, on the other hand you have the Custom House which in todays planning set up would be protected if the application were considered De Novo.
I am going to cop out horribly on this and suggest that it should be reclad and an angular extension should start at the eighth floor and be built at gentle slope over the ‘to be demolished shops’ on Eden Quay with the slope ending in line with the established building line of the ‘Seamans Building’
Therebye tidying up the mess at that end of Eden Quay and masking the dreadful rear elevation of the VHI building on Abbey St
If it goes what replaces will be taller because its floors are so small from floor to ceiling due to the absence of raised access floors and deeply suspended ceilings etc. Georges Quay is 5 storeys lower but yet is only 3m lower in overall height.
I say knock it and build a 90 storey version on Bond Road keeping the exact proportions so that it looks the same size from O’Connell Bridge.
@ihateawake wrote:
“the fifth most expensive shopping street in the world”
I’m not so sure that this actually the case in that the rents quoted for Grafton St represent a rate per square metre that only treats the first 6 metres back from the front at the rent before falling to 50% for the next 6 metres back and so on. I think that in many of the Cities quoted the rent taken has no such discounting on the basis of proximity to the frontage and simply reflects an overall rate per metre.
Great to see Thomond Park receiving investment it has been Limericks most noted feature in popular culture for a few years since the European Cup arrived. I’m sure the stadium will do very well once completed as it symbolises all that is good about Limerick being youthful in a mature setting, independent and viable.
From a planning perspective Thomond is a good model being served by numerous hosteleries that put much needed turnover into the local area and its proximity to the City Centre. I wonder just how many bed-nights this venue is responsible per year?
This type of investment symbolises exactly what was wrong with ‘National Sporting Campus’ at Abbotstown as regional projects like this would have been starved of the required resources to get them off the ground.
Dave I like many others on this forum would I suspect like to see some images.
P.S. Do I have any unique attributes to get some consultancy work out of this one?
@alpha wrote:
i wonder has the erection work on the 16 storey quay lodge and the 18 storey montevetro started yet?
Thats a good question, I’d check out http://www.ddda.ie there will probably be details there or you could ring them?
I remember when that building (the lodge) was sold about 2-3 years ago; it was guided at 650,000
i wonder has the erection work on the 16 storey quay lodge and the 18 storey montevetro started yet?
